Prolific Montreal bassist Mishka Stein was stuck in quarantine after being forced to cut the last few shows of his Europe tour with chamber-pop artist, Patrick Watson, due to COVID-19, and began writing new, skeletal pieces of music. 

He sent some new sonic ideas to local renowned producer Sam Woywitka—who has worked with Stein’s other band TEKE::TEKE, as well as Half Moon Run and DJ Khalil (Dr. Dre, Anderson .Paak, Kendrick Lamar)—and together they formed FHANG, a ferocious and experimental project featuring complex, intricate rhythms, lush neo-psych melodies, and mind-altering sonic textures and layers. 

No song on the self-titled debut album is alike. The opening track “Stanza Fresca” is a soothing synth number, while “Vaudevillain” and “Many Moons (feat TiRon & Ayomari)” throw in the welcomed addition of hip hop. Then there’s the brain-bending “King Blame,” which sounds like old school “Lust For Life” Iggy Pop mixed in a macabre German discotheque. 

Both members of FHANG were able to share their experience with PAN M 360 about  crafting the diverse sounds on the self-titled debut, their self-directed music videos, Woywitka’s new label, Hidden Ship, and learning to play their songs live before their Festival de musique émergente show later this week.

PAN M 360: You’ve been categorized by some reviewers as psych-rock and while there are elements of that in your music, there are many more elements to the FHANG sound. A bit of hip hop, new wave, indie, post-punk…

Sam Woywitka: I agree. We’re getting added to, like, electro charts or whatever, like “new electro band FHANG, or like new Krautrock band, FHANG, new darkwave band, FHANG.” There are many different things we’re being called.

Mishka Stein: We’re just trying to take over Spotify (laughs).

PAN M 360: Did you two know what kind of sounds you wanted for FHANG, initially?

Mishka Stein: I feel like I would just credit Sam for the sound because I was just working on Ableton, trying to write the music, but knowing that Sam would be the one who would change my shitty synth pad that I picked. You know, just make it sound way better and do a lot of treatment. A lot of a lot of my projects were just very kind of skeletal; the performance, but not so much the production.

PAN M 360: So Sam you crafted the overall sound of the songs in the studio?

Sam Woywitka: Yeah, I feel like I’m a puzzle-maker sometimes, putting pieces together. When I feel like I have a melody or a cool riff or something to go off of, I can kind of paste a journey together through that. Just having having that at my fingertips, I guess.

PAN M 360: You guys also made some music videos, like the one for “King Blame.” I think the description of the video is “someone’s lonely drug trip.” It’s kind of like watching a David Lynch film, with the rabbit head and everything. 

Sam Woywitka: Thanks. He’s definitely an influence, for sure. That song kind of started out with me on a guitar and a drum loop, singing the vocal hook “I am the King of Blame,” and it sounded really angsty teenage me, you know?

PAN M 360: So is the video and idea of the song based on personal experience? 

Sam Woywitka: Well, back when I was doing a lot of drugs, I felt like nobody fucking liked me. I just felt blame all the time. And if you’ve ever looked at yourself in the mirror when you’re hallucinating on drugs, you can’t even recognize yourself, and that shit is terrifying. So the video was really going to be just skateboarding and getting fucked up, but the day we shot it, I walked into this costume store and saw the crazy bunny mask. We wanted some skateboard shots when the sun was rising and I asked my buddy Issac to put on the bunny mask while skateboarding, and it just became the thing. 

PAN M 360: It’s funny how it was just spontaneous and it became the crux of the video. 

Sam Woywitka: For sure. What did Mishka say? Oh yeah, ‘Sometimes the monkey or your back is a rabbit.’ 

PAN M 360: You recently started the label Hidden Ship. Did you create it to release FHANG?

Sam Woywitka: That was definitely an inspiration behind actually getting it done and sinking my teeth into it. And now, I’m pretty excited about what the future holds. I have so many like talented friends and like artists that should just be better represented on a smaller label that cares more about their music. 

PAN M 360: Right. So it’s not going to be independently for FHANG releases? Do you already have artists in mind for the label?

Sam Woywitka: I want to have these jam session writing sessions where maybe we’re making songs just for the sake of making really dope tunes with some crazy musicians, and then having a place to put that out, rather than it needing to be in a like some sort of artist’s discography. Maybe we can just do some cool productions and collaborations in the studio and eventually there could be a Hidden Ship record or something. I used to work in L.A. with DJ Khalil and that’s what his studio was like. People always jamming and him steering the ship, and then sampling a part for the next beat for Jay Z or Kanye West or something. 

PAN M 360: Were there any artists you mutually drew inspiration from for this album?

Mishka Stein: I think the pandemic was our biggest inspiration for it. For me, it’s really infused with all the feelings we lived. The fucking Trump stuff and COVID and all this garbage. The first few months were just really primal. Primal reactions. 

PAN M 360: Is that where the name FHANG comes from? 

Mishka Stein: Yeah I think so. FHANG being the jaws of the wolf and it’s really just a survival thing—which is how we all felt in those first few months. 

PAN M 360: So how do these songs translate to a live setting? Being a duo, I assume playing live is a lot of multi-tasking for both of you?

Mishka Stein: Like crazy. Sam’s doing all the modular synths, singing, and playing drums. I’ve got a synth in front of me, bass pedals for the lower notes, and I’m rocking a double neck guitar/bass. So yeah, it’s going to take a bit for it to feel comfortable. 

Sam Woywitka: Yeah we’re constantly jumping between different instruments. There’s a lot of octopussing going on.

From Kaifeng, in the Chinese province of Henan, Yu Su moved to Vancouver in 2013 to attend university. Already a seasoned pianist before coming to Canada, she became an artist in her own right. Within a few years, the choice to become a music professional was the right one: in addition to being a sought-after DJ on the international circuit, Yu Su has proven to be a superior composer. What’s more, her talents as a musician extend far beyond the realm of electronic references, and she now engages with all the instruments within her reach.

Drawing from a vast repertoire, including what she likes to describe as fourth-world music, Yu Su’s still young work is already formidable. This undeniable talent first earned her tours in Europe and Asia as a DJ. As for the Canadian recognition, it came slowly but surely.

Her referential universe is vast, from downtempo to contemporary through Chinese classical music, her curiosity leading her to explore several top-shelf repertoires, to absorb the best elements and throw them at electro enthusiasts, which naturally led her from Djing to composition and beatmaking. The extent of her work is just beginning to be realized.

This year, Yu Su was selected for the Polaris Prize long list for her album Yellow River Blue, thus expanding her circle of Canadian friends… although she has performed many times from coast to coast and has been accepted into the prestigious Ninja Tune label’s repertoire. True to its mandate of discovery and high quality, MUTEK has invited her in the past. This time, Yu Su is coming to defy expectations: she will perform with a group of instrumentalists that she recently formed. 

PAN M 360: We perceive many influences in your music. Can you summarize your musical journey since you’ve gone professional?

Yu Su: First, the integration of Eastern traditional or classical music is not an intention to represent my Chineseness, not a conscious basis in my music. It is more like a game for me, it’s cool to be playful and make electronic music. Where I am from does matter, that makes my music sound like this, it’s in my blood, it comes from the environment I grew up inin  China and what happened after. I also love music of the ’80s and ’90s downtempo and ambient stuff, there is so much to learn and enjoy about this music of the Fourth World, synthesised sounds, percussion, Japanese, polyrhythmic influences from Africa or India on the Western composers, really cool people like Steve Reich, Laurie Anderson, Terry Riley, Jon Hassell, etc. So  in that time, experimental music was evolving so much, using some aspects of other cultures. Now integration of music from everywhere is more playful. Also the whole approach of electronic music and other new music is about creating the other world. I really like that. I don’t care about cultural appropriation considerations in dogmatic terms, my music is my way of criticizing it. What you can find in my music is just me, just trying being playful. Everything we experience can have an impact on the creative process. 

PAN M 360: Over time, things became more sophisticated in your music.

Yu Su: Yeah but I’m still learning, I feel that I’m still not very good at the technical aspect of my work, machines, music instruments, everything’s still new. You know, I decided to do it very seriously four or five years ago, so I am still learning. If you listen to my music since my professional beginnings, you can hear how I am getting better, in particular with using machines.

PAN M 360: What is your gear?

Yu Su: I often use computers, also Wavestation and Hydrasynth keyboards, and I’m actually learning bass guitar. Because now I have a band and the performance I’m preparing for MUTEK is my band. It will be the psych-rock side of me. I will have players on guitar, bass and drums, I will be on keyboard and singing. There will be a bit of my electronic world, because I use plugins from a computer. So half of the stuff is a re-interpretation of some sounds, melodies and changes from my last album that was composed with a computer. 

PAN M 360: Would you stay on that path after this first instrumental experience?

Yu Su: Yeah, I think so because you know, I’m actually discovering this world of psych-rock  and music and other forms of pop-rock. I dove into this music pretty recently. You know, I only started to listen to Pink Floyd last year. I also listen to Moon Duo. I listen to a lot of Paul McCartney solo stuff, My Bloody Valentine. I listen to krautrock like Can. So this rock world is really new to me and I’m so interested. You know, I don’t want only to exist in the electronic world, I don’t really care about being really good in one music field. I just wanna be able to make any music I love, and this is why I wanna experience the band. What form or what genre doesn’t matter. On the other hand, I really work hard with the band to have the best live set I could offer. For this one MUTEK show, we’ve been rehearsing for two months. I want a really good band! I want a band that’s really tight, not just a band.

PAN M 360: What were the side effects of the Polaris long list on your career?

Yu Su: Before the Polaris, I wasn’t performing often in Canada.I was working with European or UK labels, I was touring expansively over there as a DJ, also Asia. So in Canada, I felt I wasn’t in the circle. When I was included in the Polaris long list, I was shocked because my music wasn’t well known in Canada. But I am happy that Polaris is including weirder stuff like mine (laughs). Also, I wasn’t a permanent resident until 2020. I had to leave the country every 6 months, I didn’t have a strong legal status, so I didn’t have resources here, no government support. Now it’s different. I think I will live permanently in Canada for a long time.

Porto Porto ! suggests a powerful version of eclecticism in 2021: electronic, electric, digital, analog, acoustic, improvised, written, programmed, composed suites, improvised suites, ambient, techno, ethereal wave, space jazz, groove, house, kuduro, and so on.

The digital creativity to which Porto Porto! subscribes foresees all the associations, all the amalgams, a great diversity of references. The four artists based in Montreal, with distinct origins, pave the way. Samito from Mozambique, on Fender Rhodes, programming, voice.  Alex Tibbitts from California, on harp, machines, voice. Quan from Vietnam on modular synthesizers. James Benjamin aka Boogieman, from Montreal, keyboards, synths, and programming. 

In the short time since forming, Porto Porto! have already recorded a lot, both audio and audiovisual, and has performed little in front of an audience. This justifies this conversation about this ambitious concert with guests, performed at M-Telus in its world premiere on Saturday, August 28 as part of MUTEK’s Nocturne series.

PAN M 360: We have an idea of what Porto Porto ! is premised on, and we want to know more about it. Can you tell us the genesis of this project?

James Benjamin: This is a fairly recent project. With the pandemic, it started last year. Samito and I had a collaboration, we played MUTEK in 2020, and then I got the duo and the new elements together at Breakglass Studios, which I’ve been a co-owner of for the past 12 years and has helped me a lot in my own music career. We started making music together on the fly, seeing where it was going. As the sessions went on, pieces emerged, we did a lot of recordings, we touched many musical ecosystems. And we became good friends. This change is natural, we’re ready for the next step. 

PAN M 360: After listening to the first recordings, we could suggest that Porto Porto ! offers ambient electronic, sort of chillwave combined with different rhythms and also an influx of spacy electric jazz in the stream of the Miles Davis sessions between 1968 and 1972. How would you describe it yourself?

James Benjamin: This description is accurate, but our music also goes stylistically somewhere else. This Porto Porto music has become a real melting pot.

PAN M 360: Porto Porto! isn’t only about ethereal music, there are composition aspects. Can you talk about it?

James Benjamin: Of course, there is an experimental aspect to our music, but we are also all interested in composition. Samito and I have been working together for a few years, we also think about hooks and song structures. Samito is also a natural producer. And I like to see myself as that too. So all these influences are tangible, our next show will provide the creative framework for the upcoming album. 

PAN M 360: Let’s take a look at the instrumentation.

James Benjamin: Okay. The instrumentation is based on modular synthesizers built by Quan – this guy has a very interesting mind, he designs his own instruments from scratch and he has his own company for modular synths, so we both play modular synths and we learn a lot from each other. Samito also plays keyboards, mostly the Fender Rhodes. Alex Tibbitts plays what she calls a bionic harp, an analog instrument that can also generate sound effects beyond the harp’s natural sound. She is also connected with some software and computers. So with these excellent trained musicians, we thought that it would be really cool to record long sessions, even suites.

PAN M 360: The upcoming show is another step, there will be more. 

James Benjamin: For this show, we are adding bass. In the studio, we teamed up with Milo Johnson (Busty and the Bass), a fantastic bass player and composer, and recorded a few sessions. The addition of a great jazz bass player allowed us to explore other sounds with our keyboards. For the MUTEK show, however, Milo will be replaced by another bass player, as he’s currently in British Columbia and cannot travel across the country. There will also be two string players who will accompany certain parts of the music. So this will be the first time we will be presenting a whole bunch of songs and movements, different feelings, moods, vocal lines, hooks and also experimental stuff. 

PAN M 360: Are there conceptual leaders in the group?

James Benjamin: It’s always evolving but this music comes from the four core members. When we started playing together, we tried to exercise that each person would be able to lead and listen carefully to each other. So things get pushed in different directions and also things get pulled into the center. It’s a team project, everybody waves in, they all say what they want to say, it’s all about consensus, we’re all making music together.

PAN M 360: So there is important evolution since the Boogieman and Samito experience.

James Benjamin: Indeed, it’s quite different but it is also an expansion of this duo, now it’s becoming an universe. There are a couple of tracks that are ready to release, an album will follow. The show at MUTEK will give you an idea of this sonic universe and the album, it will go to different places but there will be threads that connect it all. 

PAN M 360: So the next step will be an album and… even more?

James Benjamin: Ambitious is a good word to describe Porto Porto. In my mind we could eventually have an orchestra around it. Our thing is not just experimental improvisation, these are trained players who read charts and chords,  who really know about what they’re doing. One step at the time but… we intend to add orchestral works around this. 

“Asterisms” refers to the random figures that constitute a group of neighbouring stars in the celestial sphere. An asterism has no precise shape, nor any real use. The simple fact of existing and shining in the sky is enough to justify this designation. Canadian indigenous artist  Matthew Cardinal’s first solo project evokes this perfectly. 

You may have heard of Cardinal in the Edmonton-based indie-rock trio Nêhiyawak. A debut album, Nipiy, caught the attention of music fans in 2020, when the band was nominated for a Juno award in the Indigenous Music Album of the Year category. When the group disbanded, Cardinal decided to continue his career… in a completely different light: electronic music.

Cardinal remains very humble when talking about his music, emphasizing that this album was created without any real preconceptions. Like a diary, each piece reveals a small part of himself, without really revealing anything intimate. Enigmatic, full of secrets, Asterisms proves to be an immersive and enveloping listen on all levels. By closing our eyes, we can glimpse the lights, shapes and sounds of the space. While Cardinal didn’t really follow a plan, or get inspired by anything specific, the rendering is clear, interesting, and most importantly, authentic. The artist can pride himself on exploring a unique sound and thus offering a work with a very intimate finish. 

This Friday, August 27, Matthew Cardinal takes the stage at MUTEK. And he won’t be alone; visual and media artist Stephanie Kuse will present her projections during the concert, adding colour, texture and form to the music. The concert will take place at the 5th floor of Place-des-Arts in Montreal, 9:30 pm. In the meantime, PAN M 360 met with Matthew Cardinal to discuss the project.

PAN M 360: I read in an article that the songs on Asterisms were not all produced at the same time. Some of them were created two years ago, and some of them were created seven years ago! What took you so long? 

Matthew Cardinal: I wanted to make an album for quite a long time, but I was pretty busy with many other projects. So, most of the songs on the album were created… maybe two or three years prior to now? But yeah, the first track on the album, I created seven years ago…  She’s much older than the rest of them. And I just thought… it should go on there!

PAN M 360: Asterisms came out in October 2020, so just a few months prior to the arrival of the pandemic. Was is difficult to create and to produce during that weird period of time? 

Matthew Cardinal: It was strange, of course. When the album came out, I couldn’t really tour it or play shows for it, so I ended up doing some streams here and there, but you know, it’s not quite the same. I was lucky to be hired for various commissions and other things. But playing live was just impossible at the time. And it was kind of funny, I wanted the album to come out in February of 2020 and then everything happened… I think the label asked if I still wanted to release it and I was like, may as well, you know? 

PAN M 360: You originally were a member of the indie-rock band named Nêhiyawak. Now, you create electronic music for yourself first. What are the pros and cons of working alone? 

Matthew Cardinal: I’ve been playing solo for quite a long time, but there’s pros and cons for sure. I mean, playing alone can be… you don’t have to schedule band practices, you don’t have to ask others about decisions, so it’s easier in some ways. If anything goes wrong, it all falls on me! But I miss playing in the band, for sure. It’s fun to interact with your bandmates and you don’t feel lonely, so…

PAN M 360: What response, what emotion do you want to get from the people who listen to Asterisms? 

Matthew Cardinal: I would just love if people were to listen to it and feel… whatever they wanna feel. I think it’s up to the listeners. I want them to… take what they can from it. My album is really music made without any intention in some ways. They are pieces that felt good and… I just recorded them. Yeah, so… I just don’t want to tell people how to feel. 

PAN M 360: So there’s no storytelling intention in this project? No story to follow? 

Matthew Cardinal: Not quite, yeah. It’s a bit of a non-linear audio journal, if you will. They all are pieces that I made at various points of my life, so Asterisms is a record… of my life, in some ways? It’s a journal of sounds. 

PAN M 360:  You were nominated for the 2020 Juno Awards for Indigenous album of the year, and for the 2020 Polaris Music Prize long list. What did those nominations mean for you? Do you feel included in the electronic music scene? 

Matthew Cardinal: For one, it’s always nice to be nominated for awards. A lot of my friends were also nominated for the Polaris, so that was nice. And as for my inclusion… in some ways, yes? I feel like… (sigh)… I feel like I’m included in a couple different circles. I’m playing these experimental music festivals during summer, like I’m playing MUTEK and I did an ambient music festival in Victoria, in Winnipeg as well… So that’s cool, but I don’t know if I’m really in the electronic world, in a sense? But I’ve played shows for indie-rock fans, people that are into new music, like experimental stuff but it’s an interesting mix, to say the least. 

PAN M 360 : Are you satisfied with your media coverage ? 

Matthew Cardinal:  I talk to journalists every so often. I mean, it’s not a lot, but I’ll never complain about it. I’ll take what I can, for sure, but I’m not mad or anything that I don’t have interviews every single day. 

PAN M 360: For the people like me who don’t quite know the vocabulary or the instruments needed in the process of creating electronic music, can you guide us a little bit in what you used for the production of Asterisms

Matthew Cardinal: I used a lot of different things. Some of them are just guitars, some of them are with analog synthesizers, and a lot of pieces are based around the Moog for the lead sounds and the bass sounds… And then a lot of it is modular synthesizers… Basically, I work with customized synthesizers, and I created my own instruments to really get what I want from them. It grants me a lot of freedom.   

PAN M 360: You’ll be performing live at the MUTEK festival in Montreal. While you’ll be performing Asterisms, Stephanie Kuse, a visual artist, will be presenting her projections to illustrate your music. How did you meet her, and what pushed you to collaborate with her? 

Matthew Cardinal: Well, I met her through her partner, since I’m good friends with them. And she was already doing projections for other people, and I really liked what she was doing. And I wanted to do a show with projection, with visual art, for a while now. I think that kind of art can add to a performance. I like how it can be more… immersive, in a way. She was inspired by my own photography and she added her own flavour to it. Audio and visual together – it just makes sense. 

For more than twenty years, the digital revolution has not ceased to make our environment evolve at a frantic pace and this is more and more out of step with our natural biological rhythms. Unknown to us, this new virtual extension can in return slow down the development of a more vital, more buried, more instinctive and more vibrant aspect of ourselves. In the not too distant future, this artificial evolution, now out of control, may force us dangerously into its own downfall, or conversely, show us how to refocus on the path to truth.

With the pandemic, the feelings of over-connection and relentless acceleration have been amplified and even turned into universal feelings. Presented on August 24 and 25 in preview at the SAT as part of the 22nd edition of the MUTEK festival, the new Montreal collective BEATS attempts to transform this global phenomenon into a transdisciplinary scenic experience. Combining contemporary dance, visual projections and sound creations, the performance retraces the path of the human being caught in this dizzying whirlwind of technology in search of his hidden eternal essence.

Equipped with a stethoscope and a self-contained light stick connected to the sound and visual compositions, the three performers Yuki Berthiaume, Hamie Robitaille and Molly Siboulet-Ryan each communicate their art through a choreography conceived by Stéfania Skoryna and form a whole with the help of custom-made devices designed by Ganesh Baron Aloir. PAN M 360 met with the team behind the ambitious multidisciplinary, technological and immersive BEATS project.

PAN M 360: The project was publicly launched on March 8 during the pandemic. How did this project start? What triggered it?

Hamie Robitaille: Our meeting was quite the trigger. It started with a desire to do a show with Yuki that would mix dance, music and visual elements. We quickly realized that we needed more help with the choreography. That’s when Stefania joined us to do the project. We wanted to make the creation feminine I think and to bring the subject of the incessant work, the daily life, the pressure of performance. We wanted to do this all three of us even if we were very busy.

Stefania Skoryna : I entered the project when there was already a first version of ten minutes. I asked Molly Siboulet-Ryan to participate, I found it easier to be outside to see the choreography than to be inside.

PAN M 360: For the staging, we can see in the video a slightly retro soviet set. Why this choice?

Stefania Skoryna: It came by itself. We are in the work, in a task, the chosen costume is China and the music is very mechanical.

Hamie Robitaille: As for the scenography, we knew that we were going to go towards something techno and industrial. When we talk about industrial, the codes are the line work, the barrels, the mechanical look. That’s probably where the Soviet side comes from.

PAN M 360: Yuki, you are in charge of the sound composition of the project. You have a foot in the garage rock scene (I.D.A.L.G., Jesuslesfilles), still rather analog, how do you feel about this transition to digital via the BEATS project?

Yuki Berthiaume: I did a year in electroacoustics, but it’s my only experience in this field. In the bands I play for, I always compose my part on the synth. But I had never really composed a whole piece of music, it was really new. I did it, but I don’t really know how (laughs). I managed to compose 40 minutes of material. I tried a lot of things, it was really experimenting, I don’t master the technology I use. But I thought it was interesting to have a bit of a punk approach, more intuitive. I don’t master Ableton but it doesn’t matter, I did it the same way, it was bound to give something. I learned from that, not to do like everyone else or not to master the instrument. It even becomes a strength.

PAN M 360: Your project is presented during the MUTEK festival at the Satosphere. How is the 360º experience going?

Hamie Robitaille: For MUTEK, we were offered a difficult choice: either Place des Arts or the SAT dome (laughs). Since we had already had the chance to present a rather frontal and classic show as part of Code d’Accès, we thought we could bring it to the SAT dome at 360º. Since the visuals are quite compelling, the immersion was relevant to the subject of the show. Feeling overwhelmed by the visuals around us helps to amplify the subject of the piece. It was a nice challenge. Eventually, we would like to be able to do it completely 360º. It’s a bit of a hybrid, the show remains frontal.

PAN M 360: You talk about a sense of time accelerating. One of your goals is to transform this universal feeling into a stage experience. What gives you this feeling of constant acceleration? Who do you think accelerates, the human or the technology?

Hamie Robitaille: It’s really the chicken or the egg. One of the first reflexes is to say that it’s technology. From my side, I’m not sure. Technology was developed to serve a human need, a need for adrenaline, to go faster, to be more efficient. Humans have created technology but in the end, we have lost control. Technology is the element that exacerbates all this. We saw it with the pandemic, we were extremely connected and it amplified this feeling. In the end, this need for adrenaline is human and the ability to do tasks over and over again is more the role of the machine.

Stefania Skoryna: For example, I don’t have internet data on my cell phone but I feel that there are things that go faster than me. Do we have to accept this? I take the choice to push it back. I remember to use it as a tool.

PAN M 360: You use a connected stethoscope to transform heartbeats into sounds and images. In concrete terms, how are heartbeats transformed into digital material?

Hamie Robitaille: The stethoscope was made with the help of Ganesh and Youtube (laughs). It’s a little tie microphone that is plugged into the stethoscope and that allows us to hear the heart. The sound is passed into Ableton and filtered. This heartbeat can make the visuals react in real time, it’s really a creative tool.

PAN M 360: The line between the organic world and the digital world is becoming more and more blurred, not only in relation to new technologies, but also in our daily experience. Can we say that you try to find life through the machine?

Hamie Robitaille: We don’t try to give a soul to the machine, we try to find humanity in all this whirlwind of technology. Molly embodies the human in the play.

Molly Siboulet-Rya: It’s more of a reunion than a transformation. In the show, the human has lost a part of himself and finds it again through a journey.

Yuki Berthiaume: It is also to illustrate that when we push ourselves to the limit, the body lets go.

Stefania Skoryna: The goal is to regain control before reaching that point, to take a breath.

PAN M 360: The glow stick is influenced by the sounds and visuals but it also influences the sounds and visuals in return. This autonomous process can be likened to the biological concept of homeostasis, a regulatory process that tends to keep variables around a certain equilibrium. How does the stick feedback loop work?

Ganesh Baron Aloir : The stick is bidirectional, we can send it commands to change the type of ignition it will have. Conversely, we have information on its angle, its rotation, the speed of its movement that we can attribute to different visual or audio effects. 

Hamie Robitaille: For the show, since it is still a prototype, we are concentrating on the movements of the stick that make the visuals react and on the audio that makes the light in the stick react. But eventually, if we get funding, we’d like to refine it and make it available to other creators. It could even react to the weather, the air pressure. The possibilities are really endless. In the future, we will continue the research. We are working on the new prototype, it is now two meters long. It has 220 LEDs, a micro controller and four batteries to power it. Ganesh is super good with technology but he had never made a 100% connected object. He had to learn how to 3D print and program in obscure languages (laughs).

PAN M 360: The stick kind of has its own life in the middle of the show. Why did you decide to give it its own autonomy? 

Hamie Robitaille: That’s a good question. We had been toying with the idea of this glow stick for a long time but we didn’t really know what it meant. It slowly turned into a question: what drives us in the end? It’s a little bit the soul in the show, something immaterial. It is a stick that lights up, that reacts, that is sensitive. It’s not always lit up as much from one part of the piece to another. At some point, I think we all put our souls aside to work. In the show, other people sometimes control the stick, manipulate it. In the end, we want to find that soul. That’s why it has its own life in the show. It was important for us to have a slightly different and majestic object.

Yuki Berthiaume: It’s like its self, its essence, its light. It’s the sense of the sacred.

Photo credit: Maxyme G. Delisle

PAN M 360 : Vous parlez d’un sentiment du temps qui s’accélère. Un de vos objectifs est de transformer ce sentiment universel en expérience scénique. Qu’est ce qui vous donne ce sentiment d’accélération incessante? Qui accélère selon vous, l’humain ou la technologie?

Hamie Robitaille :  C’est vraiment l’œuf ou la poule. Un des premiers réflexes est de dire que c’est la technologie. De mon côté, je ne suis pas certaine. La technologie a été développée pour servir un besoin humain, un besoin d’adrénaline, d’aller plus vite, d’être plus efficace. L’humain a créé la technologie mais finalement, on a perdu le contrôle. La technologie est l’élément qui exacerbe tout ça. On l’a vu avec la pandémie, on était extrêmement connecté et cela a amplifié ce sentiment. Au final, ce besoin d’adrénaline est humain et la capacité de faire des tâches à répétition est plutôt le rôle de la machine.

Stefania Skoryna : Par exemple, je n’ai pas de données internet sur mon cellulaire mais je le sens qu’il y a des choses qui vont plus vite que moi. Est ce qu’on est obligé d’accepter cela? Je prends le choix de le repousser. Je me rappelle de l’utiliser comme un outil.

PAN M 360 : Vous utilisez un stéthoscope connecté pour transformer les rythmes du cœur en sons et en images. Concrètement, comment les battements du cœur sont transformés en matériel numérique?

Hamie Robitaille : Le stéthoscope a été bidouillé avec l’aide de Ganesh et de Youtube (rire). C’est un petit micro cravate qui est branché dans le stéthoscope et qui nous permet d’entendre le cœur. Le son est passé dans Ableton et est filtré. Ce battement de cœur peut faire réagir les visuels en temps réel, c’est réellement  un outil de création.

PAN M 360 : La limite entre le monde organique et le monde numérique devient de plus en plus floue, pas seulement par rapport aux nouvelles technologies, mais dans notre ressenti même au quotidien. Est ce que l’on peut dire que vous essayez de trouver de la vie à travers la machine?

Hamie Robitaille : On n’essaie pas de donner une âme à la machine, on essaie de retrouver de l’humanité dans tout ce tourbillon de technologie. Molly incarne d’ailleurs l’humain dans la pièce.

Molly Siboulet-Ryan : Il s’agit plus d’une réunion que d’une transformation. Dans le spectacle, l’humain a perdu une partie de soi et la retrouve à travers un cheminement.

Yuki Berthiaume : C’est aussi pour illustrer que lorsqu’on se pousse à bout, le corps lâche prise.

Stefania Skoryna : Le but est quand même de reprendre le contrôle avant d’en arriver là, de reprendre sa respiration.

PAN M 360 : Le bâton lumineux est influencé par les sons et les visuels mais il influence également en retour les sons et les visuels. Ce processus autonome peut se rapprocher du concept biologique d’homéostasie, un processus de régulation qui tend à garder des variables autour d’un certain équilibre. Comment fonctionne la boucle de rétroaction du bâton?

Ganesh Baron Aloir : Le bâton est bidirectionnel, on peut lui envoyer des commandes pour changer le type d’allumage qu’il va avoir. A l’inverse, on a de l’information sur son angle, sa rotation, sur la vitesse de son mouvement qu’on peut attribuer à différents effets visuels ou audios. 

Hamie Robitaille : Pour le spectacle, comme il s’agit encore d’un prototype, on se concentre sur les mouvements du bâton qui font réagir les visuels et sur l’audio qui fait réagir la lumière dans le bâton. Mais éventuellement, si on a du financement, on aimerait le peaufiner et le rendre disponible à d’autres créateurs. Il pourrait même réagir à la météo, à la pression atmosphérique. Les possibilités sont vraiment infinies. Dans le futur, on va continuer la recherche. On est d’ailleurs en train de travailler sur le nouveau prototype, il fait maintenant deux mètres. Il comporte 220 LED, un micro contrôleur et quatre batteries pour l’alimenter. Ganesh est super bon avec la technologie mais il n’avait jamais fait d’objet connecté à 100%. Il a dû apprendre à faire de l’impression 3D et à programmer dans des langages obscurs (rire).

PAN M 360 : Le bâton possède un peu sa propre vie au milieu du spectacle. Pourquoi avoir décidé de lui donner sa propre autonomie? 

Hamie Robitaille : C’est une bonne question. On caressait l’idée de ce bâton lumineux depuis longtemps mais on ne savait pas trop ce qu’il voulait dire. Il s’est tranquillement transformé en question : qu’est ce qui nous anime au final? C’est un peu l’âme dans le spectacle, quelque chose d’immatériel. C’est un bâton qui s’allume, qui réagit, qui est sensible. Il n’est pas toujours autant allumé d’une partie à l’autre de la pièce. A un certain moment, je pense qu’on a tous mis notre âme de côté pour travailler. Dans le spectacle, d’autres personnes contrôlent parfois le bâton, le manipulent. A la fin, on veut retrouver cette âme-là. C’est pour ça qu’il a sa propre vie dans le spectacle. C’était important pour nous d’avoir un objet un peu différent et majestueux.

Yuki Berthiaume : C’est comme son soi, son essence, sa lumière. C’est le sens du sacré.

Crédit photo : Maxyme G. Delisle

Born and raised in Toronto, Uproot Andy (Andy Gillis) is a young producer/DJ very active in New York’s electro-tropical scene. Around 2015, he became friends with Montreal’s Pierre Kwenders, and started a steady collaboration. Two new songs of theirs have been released this week and will be performed at the Mural Festival in Montreal, with a DJ set from 6PM to 11PM, also with San Farafina, Jelz and AKAntu,   all regular Moonshine collaborators.

PAN M 360: Could you first tell us the story of your friendship and artistic collaboration?

Uproot Andy: Pierre and I came out to play together for Moonshine parties and others in Montreal. We became friends and I used to stay at Pierre’s house when I came to Montreal.  So we started to work together on  beats, songs and remixes – for example, I’ve been partially involved in Pierre’s last album. We made music at Pierre’s house, cooked food, and hung out all day. Pierre also came out to perform in New York City, where I am living now. We started collaborating like that, and ever since, we meet up in different places and make music wherever we are. 

PAN M 360: This most recent project was completed during the quarantine. How did it go?

Uproot Andy: Yeah, with the pandemic a lot of things changed, we had to exchange information online. We got stuck at home and for me, that kind of changed the way I felt producing music. I mean, the forms of pop music that are really quick, getting to the hooks, I didn’t feel it made a lot of sense because things kind of slowed down and changed. So I felt like making some music with a really patient and deeper approach. Also, more emotional and melodic. Both of the songs on this EP, “Ofele” and “Baluka”, reflect this need for longer developments in music.

PAN M 360: What is the common ground between you and Pierre?

Uproot Andy: I think we work very well together. We have similar tastes and similar influences, even if we have different backgrounds. I know he’ll understand my suggestions.  So I make some stuff, send it to him, then he sends his work to me, and so on.

PAN M 360: Let’s talk about the new stuff.

Pierre Kwenders: The single “Ofele” is an amapiano song, amapiano is a South African style of music. Andy and I are fans of this style, which is a very hip sound in new African music, it was already happening before the pandemic. We  play that style a lot at our Moonshine parties, so Andy and I wanted to have fun with this amapiano beat. “Ofele” means “free”. Why? Without wanting to be clearly political, the message  of the song is a shade thrown to the politicians who make promises for free services that don’t come true. Also it is a message of hope – despite those false promises, we keep on going.

Uproot Andy: One of the things about amapiano is that it’s a style made for the club. The songs are very long and it takes time getting to it. So it also fits at home, it felt really right during the last year because it’s a patient style. Maybe that explains why it has become so popular during the pandemic. So you can stay home and get into those songs, and go a little deeper into yourself. Also this South African music has become very popular in Congo and also in Nigeria. As it spreads, it folds to the local music styles.

PAN M 360: Do you have other collaborative projects for the near future? 

Pierre  Kwenders: The future is full of surprises! Many things are coming and that’s all we can say. First, we will be performing the songs and a couple more together at Mural festival on the 22nd. Myself and Andy will introduce this EP to the people. We will be outdoors and it starts at 6 PM. Don’t be late!

Qama’si means “stand up” in Mi’gmaq. And this is precisely the message that Quentin Condo, a rapper from Quebec’s 52nd Indigenous community, Gesgapegiag, wants to send. On stage, he goes by the alias of Q-052 and works to communicate Indigenous issues and problems.

And when he’s not on stage? Nothing changes! Not only is he still active in the political life of his community, but he also makes sure to teach his children the ancestral knowledge of his people. And unlike many others, Q052 was quite comfortable with the arrival of the COVID-19 pandemic. In addition to working on future projects, he took advantage of this precious time to remind his offspring of the importance of nature and the need to take care of it. 

A good listener, Q052 doesn’t go easy on his interlocutor. He doesn’t hesitate to talk about the colonialist and racist tendencies of governments, to recall the murders and disappearances of Indigenous girls and women… He doesn’t talk about a single problem, but rather about finely interwoven and, of course, complex issues.

His tone is sharp, dry, unequivocal. Refusing to put on the white gloves, he reminds us of what is sometimes so easy to forget: Canada is guilty of an ongoing genocide.  

Q052 has only two albums to his credit (2019’s Qama’si and 2018’s Rez Life, the latter of which was nominated for an Indigenious Music Award in the Best New Artist category) as well as a few singles. Drawing from the codes of old-school rap, his music is reminiscent of the rap-rock ardour of Rage Against the Machine, or the nuanced boom-bap of A Tribe Called Quest. 

Fans will have to be patient – although a new project is waiting for release, Q052 will not make it available until 2022. In the meantime, PAN M 360 met with him to talk about his art, his ambitions, and especially about the performance he will be giving at Montreal’s International First Peoples Festival. 

PAN M 360: Can you talk a little to us about your community? What do you like most about it? 

Q052: I’m from the Mi’kmaq community of Gesgapegiag, one of the three Mi’kmaq communities in Gaspesie. I grew up a little bit in and out of the reservation, because my mom is Irish-American, from the Boston area. I have mostly good memories from my childhood, with my cousins, my aunts and my uncles, doing a lot of fishing, a lot of hunting… A lot of arts and crafts… You name it, you know? That’s the way it is in indigenous communities, since we have very large families. 

PAN M 360: Your father is a member of the Mi’kmaq community and, like you already said, your mother is Irish-American. What’s your relationship with English, since most of your songs are written in that language? Is creating an album in your native language a future project of yours? 

Q052: Yeah! So, for the language aspect, in our community, Mi’kmaq is still spoken very much. My father was fluent in that language, but still learned English and French. My mom was speaking English too, obviously, but my dad never spoke to us in Mi’kmaq, just for the fact that he is a residential school survivor. So, he believed – well, was forced to believe – that speaking his own language was bad. And he wanted me to be able to master English and French, so that I’d be able to fight the government and to express the needs of Indigenous people in their language. The Mi’kmaq that I learned was with my friends and with other members of my family. But my dad always said to me, “you can learn Mi’kmaq any time you want, but you need to learn the white man’s language. Just because it’s a white man’s world and you need to survive in it.” So, I don’t speak fluently the way I would love to, but I do get by pretty good. And the song I will be performing on Friday night with Samian will be in Mi’kmaq. 

PAN M 360:  How has been the pandemic for you, creatively? Did you use it to make new music? 

Q052: For me, the pandemic was a blessing! And I don’t know if you remember, but right before the pandemic, we were blocking the railroads, because we were saying that we need to stop the way that we’re moving forward right now, and we must change the way we do things! We must be more aware and respectful of Mother Nature. And the government said “No, that’s impossible, economically.” Then, Covid came along and said “hold my beer.” So yeah, to me, it wasn’t a problem at all, I was ready for the reset. I even took the time to take my kids back to Gaspesie. We went to the woods and did a lot of traditional activities. 

PAN M 360: What kind of ‘’activism education’’ will your children get from you, of course, but also from your own father, who I believe is an important leader of your community? What do you want to teach them?  

Q052: Obviously, the environment is a priority to me, just because if we keep destroying it, we’ll soon be dead, right? We need to address the killing of Indigenous women, the mass incarceration of Indigenous people, the list goes on and on… But I try to touch base of every single one of them.

PAN M 360: I heard you were a politician before, why did you stop and chose music instead?  

Q052: Hip-hop has always been in my blood, right? And it’s all because the hip-hop culture is very similar to Indigenous culture. The MCs are very similar to our chanters, the breakdancers are very similar to our dancers, and the graffiti writers are very similar to our art and crafts… And on top of that, my father was – and still is – very into political changes, so he wanted me to follow that, right? So, I grew up surrounded by the desire for social change, I did two terms of political work, then I decided to step away ‘cause I felt like… I could do more through music than politics. You have a lot of restraint in politics, you can’t always say what you want. In hip-hop, you can talk about things the way they really are. 

PAN M 360: Are you currently working on a new project? 

Q052: I’ve been steadily working through the pandemic, doing collaborations with other artists, I’ve got a track that will be coming out with Violent Ground, I’ve got a track with Samian, one with Melodie McArthur. I also have a whole album recorded and ready to go but I’m only putting it out in 2022. So, I’ve been very active writing, recording, just having a great time doing those things. There’s powerful stuff coming. 

PAN M 360: When people listen to your music, what emotion, what response do you want to get from them?

Q052: What I wanna do is to hit you in the conscience. I want people to be aware, to be conscious of what’s happening. And I think the way that I deliver it is in your face, it’s direct and I think people need to hear it that way, rather than the political way. I don’t want to be nice about it, you know? We need to hear it, even if we don’t like it. 

PAN M 360: Can we hear a certain evolution, a growth when we listen to your music. Did your vision or attitude change along the way? 

Q052: Yeah, if you heard the first album I put out, I’m more in the angry, direct approach. My second one is more R&B, more of an educational approach… The next album is going to be a mix of educational and anger, but a lot of rock! I recorded it with my full band. 

PAN M 360: It seems like Samian and yourself are working on a set for the festival next Friday, can you talk a little bit about it? 

Q052: Actually, I’m working on two collaborations! So, Wednesday night, I’ll be performing with NEM, Nouvel Ensemble Moderne, and Forestare, alongside Laura Niquay and Anachnid, two wonderful Indigenous artists. We’ll perform a song with a whole orchestra and that’s going to be a 20-minute song. And then on Friday night, it’s Samian’s record launch! We collaborated for a track in his new album, and we’ll do it at the show! We’re very excited about that!

In the context of Montreal’s International First Peoples’ Festival, Andrew Paul MacDonald has been recruited by Normand Forget, artistic director of the Nouvel Ensemble Moderne, to create an orchestral link between the NEM, the guitar ensemble Forestare and three figures illustrating the cultural energy of the First Nations – Anachnid, Laura Niquay and Q-052 will be the soloists of a new concert, given on Wednesday August 4, 8pm, at Montrteal’s Place des Festivals.

Originally from Guelph, the Sherbrooke resident is a trained composer and performer. He studied music theory and piano with Rosemarie Hamilton and guitar with Alexandre Lagoya, Michael Lorimer, Ray Sealey and Manuel Lopez-Ramos. He received a Bachelor of Music degree from the University of Western Ontario in 1981, where he was a student of Arsenio Girón and Alan Heard. 

He pursued graduate studies in composition at the University of Michigan, where he earned a Master of Music (1982) and a Doctor of Musical Arts (1985). At UM, he was a student of William Albright, William Bolcom, Leslie Bassett and George Balch Wilson. Returning to Canada in 1985, his teaching career took him to Manitoba and Quebec. In 1987, he became a tenured professor at Bishop’s University, where he continues to teach composition and electronic music. Among his projects as a musician is the Ensemble Musica Nova, of which he is the artistic director.  In addition to teaching and composing, he works as a classical and/or electric guitarist and also as a conductor.

Needless to say, this cross-cultural mission represents a more than interesting challenge for Andrew Paul MacDonald.

PAN M 360: How did you approach this project?

ANDREW PAUL MACDONALD: This is something very new for me. I have been composing for a long time, symphonies, string quartets, you name it, and I have done a lot different kinds of projects, like this piece for the Evergreen Club in Toronto, a concerto for harp and gamelan… and many  other projects from traditional to very different things, but I’ve never come across something like this. What I think would be best is that I talk about it. Normand Forget approached me and I had very little time to do it. Thankfully, I was free at the time – pandemic – and I was ready for a new project. In another time it would have been impossible because my agenda would have been too busy. So Normand asked me to write a piece for these First Nation singers, Anachnid, Laura Niquay, and Q-052 (Quentin Quando) and combine this piece with NEM and Forestare. Originally, the aim was to have a very  portable piece that could pop up on a stage in any city or event. So he gave me the instrumentation, time limitations, and he had some songs from those First Nations to reimagine inside my own work. Very similar to the way the late Hans Zender reimagined Schubert’s Winterreise

PAN M 360: How is it constructed?

Andrew Paul MacDonald: Is it an arrangement? No it’s not. It’s a reimagining, it’s composing, deconstructing, reassembling and coming out with something new. We also must talk about the title that I have, the lyrics  and the music itself. The original title was Transmission Connection, the name of the NEM project, to bring NEM, Forestare, First Nation artists and a Canadian anglophone composer who lives in Quebec, so we involved different cultures in Québec, and different types of music – First Nations rap, pop electronic, and folk-rock, combined with new contemporary music. Very challenging!

PAN M 360: So, three songs are the basic materials of the composed reimagining. Can you explain what you did with those songs?

Andrew Paul MacDonald: My piece Frames of Reference is a part of this bringing together  in Transmission Connection but also Frames of Reference is a particular set of ideas or beliefs on what you base your judgement of things. Considering the artists I was working with, I felt that we must better understand what the First Nations people have experienced – residential schools, genocide crisis, etc. – and what they’re currently going through, and very importantly, to stand up and speak out about injustice. So there is a kind of a political bent in this piece. We can’t avoid it. One of the lines in the earlier refrain in the piece is this: “Silence is violence in your ear, change up your frame of reference, don’t let these terrible crimes be overlooked, stand up and speak out now.” I think that is a pretty powerful refrain, imperative. 

PAN M 360: Let’s be more specific with each song.

Andrew Paul MacDonald: Right. 

The original lyrics are done by Quentin Condo in his rap section, called “Q-052’s Rap Movement”, an edgy rap about residential school, genocide, and more generally, problematic government relations with the First Nations. It’s rapped in English and Micmac, there is a certain part of improvisation in this composition, leaving it up to the artists a little bit. In this first rap that Quentin does, we work things out properly between music and lyrics. I love his freestyle rapping section at the end of the piece, which combined with a singer’s improvisation. I will be unique each time they will be performing that piece. 

There is also this song by the Oji-Cree singer, songwriter and producer Anachnid – her full name is Anna-Khesic Kway Harper. Her song is a pop song but… on the surface, it’s a love relationship breakup, and on another level, it is an analogy of the First Nations relationship with the rest of Canada. “You got the best of me / Trapped in your lies and your disgards / Stop it, don’t waste my time / Set me free, release me / Stop playing games with me…” So you’ve got to read it in both ways, and that fits very very well in the aesthetic of this whole work. 

And then there is Laura Niquay’s song called “Moteskano”, which means “the past of our ancestors”, this a rock song about the First Nations pride and who they are. The lyrics are sung in Atikamekw, here is one quote translated: “I understood that she (my mother) was an inspiration in my life, my guide in life, it is a transmission, a way of life for future generations, let’s walk the path of our ancestors.” 

PAN M 360: So how are all those elements superimposed in the final piece?

Andrew Paul MacDonald: I designed the piece for about 20 minutes, the piece is done in seven sections. The first one is a prelude, aggressive and imperative, with vocal interruptions. The second is Q-052’s rap, so I studied rap litterature very carefully, Run the Jewels, Snoop Dog, Eminem, etc. Quentin wrote the lyrics and I include a refrain. The third movement is called “Interlude One”, a big contrast to previous movements, slow, trippy… The fourth movement is Anachnid’s “La Lune”, a gentle love song with a double meaning that we discussed, and it has a static quality. The fifth movement is “Interlude 2”, an aggressive variation of the first interlude. The sixth movement is Laura Niquay’s “Moteskano”, an energetic reimagining of her rock song with a ground bass pattern. It continues with the last movement “Rave Up”, including improvisation, freestyle rap. A huge, energetic conclusion.  And I must say that I am really honoured to have those three artists’ songs in my composed reimagining.

PAN M 360: So including those differents style in a cohesive piece was a challenge. 

Andrew Paul MacDonald: Totally! Frame of Reference is a composed reimagining. I took those original songs apart, and I reassembled them, stretching, compressing, interrupting from different angles, turning them upside down, and all done with respect to the original forms and sentiments. I want the artists to sing what they are accustomed to. I didn’t want to mess around their pitch and their rhythm and then destroy the original aesthetic. 

I also extracted motives from musical ideas in their song, in order to generate the rest of the musical material of the composition, including some instrumental parts in the piece. I find some key motivic ideas in each song, or even the rap. I also took from their traditional work certain rhythm patterns, certain melodic patterns, essentially pentatonic. I wanted to play with those elements tied into the history. So the instrumental section of the piece becomes a huge commentary on the songs themselves, to make the whole composition have a greater meaning. 

PAN M 360: Happy with this very special experience?

Andrew Paul MacDonald: Very very eye-opening. I learned a lot about First Nations culture, conditions, concerns, and I hope that more people will learn about it as well.

Having released her second album Waska Matisiwin last spring, an album that literally took her beyond the network of the Atikamekw community from which she originates, Laura Niquay makes music and songs to reach out to different First Nations communities, but also to those who are not part of them. The sweetness of her sandy voice and her unique style bordering on indie-folk transport us through her songs into the stories of her past and some of the realities that the Indigenous communities live. PAN M 360 spoke with Niquay for more insights.

PAN M 360: First of all, what inspires you to write?

Laura Niquay: Most of the time, I have to be in nature or in my community of Wemotaci to be productive. Even when I’m there, sometimes I can compose in five minutes, but other times it can take me much longer. It really depends on how I feel.

PAN M 360: Does coming from a musical family imply a certain pressure to continue in this way, or did it come naturally?

Laura Niquay: It really came naturally over time. My father bought me my first guitar when I was 10 years old and I started playing when I was 11. It wasn’t until I was 16 that I started singing and writing.

PAN M 360: It’s only recently that we’ve seen a greater openness to First Nations music. Were you afraid of not reaching such a large audience by singing in Atikamekw?

Laura Niquay: No, it’s a language like any other language in the world. It is the music of the world. It’s easier for me, especially at the beginning, to sing in my mother tongue. Moreover, I have always sung my own compositions, I do not sing the songs of other artists. I will never be an interpreter, I will never be able to. It stresses me out too much. So I prefer to sing my own compositions and to do a summary in French of each of them in the shows. I will always explain the theme of the song before I sing it.

PAN M 360: Your most recent album Waska Matisiwin was on the long list for the 2021 Polaris Music Prize. What was your reaction?

Laura Niquay: At first, I had no idea what the Polaris Prize was. However, when I met Louis-Jean Cormier, he explained everything to me and I finally understood that it was prestigious. Louis-Jean had already won this award in 2010. I had a chance to win, but unfortunately my album was not selected among the 10 best albums, the short list. At least, I was in the best albums in Canada. That’s great for me because I consider it my first real accomplished and professional album. Waratanak was more independent and it was mostly about learning how to produce music. Waska Matisiwin is really my biggest accomplishment and I am very proud of this album.

PAN M 360: Darker themes such as suicide and addiction are present on your album. Have you had any comments about these?

Laura Niquay: Yes, really! At the Festival en chanson de Petite-Vallée, many people came to see me after the show and were very moved by my songs. They understood perfectly what I went through, because I tell a lot of my life story through my songs. People were so touched that they told me that I was their favourite of the festival. I can understand because I deal with more specific and difficult subjects. I tell the themes of my songs in a very intimate way. The subject of children who have children in our communities, who don’t have time to live their adolescence, is one that touches me a lot. I still see young girls who get pregnant, or young boys who become fathers, who don’t have time to live this period that is adolescence. I am doing a lot of awareness-raising on this subject right now. It’s really important to raise awareness among young people as well.

PAN M 360: What are the reasons for the three years it took to finalize this second album?

Laura Niquay: It would have taken two years, but with the pandemic, it delayed us and it was like that for everyone. In fact, I liked it. It allowed me to take a step back in my life and get better at therapy. I’ve been to five therapies in my life. I really needed to get the balance I needed in my job and in my personal relationships too. I was able to really work on elements that I didn’t like as much and produce an album that I liked 100%.

PAN M 360: Waska Matisiwin is very eclectic. Each of the songs is unique. Did you want a guideline for the whole album, or rather to give importance to each song?

Laura Niquay: There is no guideline. I asked, for each of the songs, people around me what they liked to hear, so, like “Nicim” with the singer Shauit, it’s about my brother who went through a depressive and suicidal period. It’s not necessarily a sad song, but rather a song of encouragement to not give up. I asked him what kind of music he likes to listen to and his answer was hip-hop, reggae, and he likes the sound of electric guitars in the background. It’s really important to listen to the people around you and know what they like to listen to. I made sure to make songs to please my audience. That’s very important to me.

PAN M 360: So it is really your entourage that oriented your album?

Laura Niquay: Yes, there is also everything that I’ve heard since I was very little. My album is the result of all this mixture.

PAN M 360: What can we expect from your concert at the First Peoples Festival?

Laura Niquay: There will be nothing extravagant. There will be 12 classical guitar players. It’s going to be a little different from what I usually do, but since I grew up with the sound of classical guitar, I immediately wanted to get involved in this project. It’s going to be very special.

PAN M 360: Which song do you prefer to sing, and why?

Laura Niquay: The second song for sure! It’s called “Moteskano”, which means “The paths of our ancestors”. It’s a song about passing on our culture, and that it should never stop. I had to walk a long way to get to where I am today. Otherwise, I also like the twelfth, which is very national. It’s really important to support the elders too, to respect them. It’s about us, the First Nations, but also the non-Indigenous people, who are a nation too. We are all human.

PAN M 360: What are your next projects?

Laura Niquay: In a year and a half, I should produce another album, but it will probably have a blues background because I would like to explore this style more deeply. The First Nations have done well in this style, so I want to bring out a kind of Indigenous blues. In the meantime, it will be full of concerts in the next few months. I’m going to take advantage of it to do my first tour and I’m looking forward to it. I wish myself good health and a long life.

Fans of nu jazz with a punk attitude, supremely bittersweet, know this excellent Australian quartet. The release of the albums Tawk Tomahawk (2012) and Choose Your Weapon (2015) by Hiatus Kayote were occasions for joy, and then nothing more until the summer of 2021.  Serious health issues experienced by frontwoman and multi-instrumentalist Nai Palm led to this… hiatus.

Fortunately, the Melbourne quartet found Nai Palm healed and in full possession of her means. On this wave of redemption, Hiatus Kayote created the album Mood Valiant, released at the end of June. PAN M 360 reached bassist Paul Bender, who gave us an interview and summed up this long awaited return. 

PAN M 360: It’s been a hard ride for Nai Palm after she knew she had breast cancer and finally recovered after a tough fight. It obviously had a direct impact on the band’s progression and also on the inspiration for the new album.

Paul Bender: Of course, it did slow things down, but Nai Palm is very resilient. She had to deal with her health and recovered. She is really a champion with that sort of stuff, she used it as an inspiration and new energy, instead of giving up. She is very strong in a crisis situation. She was very inspiring to see, with that challenge.

PAN M 360: The tension between jazz groove and punk attitude is less prominent on Mood Valiant

Paul Bender: It is more an emotional record than the previous ones. There is a lot of new music on Mood Valiant. We definitely covered different areas, some are fairly pyrotechnic in their approach and I guess this collection of songs reflect something else, those emotional states we went through. On our previous recordings, we had done those crazy, flashy things, over the top, we proved ourselves in that way. And life is different now, things happened to everybody in the band, so we express something different at this point. Not to say we lost interest in the previous things, but the new songs fit in a different body of work, a particular set of feelings and ideas, it is a sort of cohesive emotional statement, little more focused on this state than a wow factor of explosion, I guess. It is nice to be united around certain things. That being said, there is plenty more ridiculous nonsense, crazy-bullshit stuff to come, whatever Hiatus Kayote do next, we have no doubt. And do not worry, we won’t do boring sad shit (laughs), abrasive, technical  stuff will be back again. Choose Your Weapon was including everything we could do at that time, Mood Valiant is different and built without expressing everything. It’s more like a story and needed to be less hyperactive, aggressive or whatever.

PAN M 360: The orchestration is also different, with reeds, brasses, strings, new electronic sounds. Can you describe the process of arrangements? 

Paul Bender: I guess we are always searching for new sounds. You know, the sonic aspect inspires us to drive something. You’ve got a song, it’s got some melody, chords, the way it sounds is very important, so we always try to find different ways to capture it, to colour it and to express what the song is about. It’s always a quest. So this album is more tonally and harmonically sophisticated, but at the same time there is something more live-energy and human-feeling, and some sense of rawness and looseness that conveys certain things and triggers your imagination.

PAN M 360:  Have you played with orchestral sections?

Paul Bender: We haven’t done it yet but it would certainly be fun to extend our line-up for special concerts. We are open to this idea, there will be a time and a place for such an event. Now, we are about to give concerts in Australia and later this year in New Zealand, we can’t think about international touring until the conditions allow us to travel out of the area. Also, we included many elements of what has been recorded with arrangements of Artur Verocai in Rio de Janeiro (“Get Sun” and “Stone or Lavender”)

PAN M 360: In Australia, are there other bands more or less in the same musical niche as yours?

Paul Bender: There are a lot of crazy bands but we don’t take inspiration from any scene. We don’t claim to have invented our style, it’s all stolen in some way. The best you can do to be original is to combine pre-existing things with creativity. Truly original music can also be unbearable and unlistenable. 

PAN M 360: Certainly the combination of forms has produced something different in Hiatus Kayote. 

Paul Bender: Everyone recombines elements of music that already exist. I guess we combine enough disparate elements of music to be original. But you know, anyone who says they’re really original is a fucking liar. Yeah, a lot of the stuff in our music is pretty distinct, but at the end of the day, 90% of what you do is normal. It’s like cooking, the ingredient you don’t expect is added to a normal meal, it makes it interesting. When I went to study in a jazz school, what did I do? I found something I really liked and I reproduced it! That something then becomes part of you and takes on a different form while you’re playing. 

PAN M 360: There is also this mixture of intuition and musicianship, which is very important in Hiatus Kayote. Is that a strength, in your opinion? 

Paul Bender: Yes, we’re all students of music forever, we accumulate knowledge and try to emulate aspects of it as it comes into our tool bag, and we work with our musician friends.  We are a mix of educated – me and Simon – and self-taught, Nai and Perrin, musicians, it’s a good combination of theoretical understanding and intuitive understanding. We help each other in both directions, it’s good to keep the focus on both. 

PAN M 360: You still have fun together, that’s more than obvious. A stable and happy family?Paul Bender: The family is stable, yes, we are happy with this record, very happy to have gone through this rollercoaster. It’s not easy to reach high standards and the truth is in the expression through a long process of filtration. To get all the members to the same place, there are always battles, but each of us was super patient. At the end of the day, we were all happy to work together.

Anika made a name for herself in 2010 with a self-titled debut album with Geoff Barrows (Portishead) and the other members of Beak, while living in Bristol. With her Nico looks, cool beauty, German accent and mechanical art-pop songs, Annika Henderson had no trouble winning over an audience with more avant-garde tastes. In 2013, after the Anika EP, the German-British singer became more discreet, collaborating here and there with various artists such as Tricky, T.Raumschmiere, Dave Clarke and Shackleton. In 2016, she joined the Mexican band Exploded View, with whom she recorded two albums and an EP. Aside from the single “No More Parties in the Attic”, also released in 2016, Anika hasn’t released anything under her own name, until the very recent Change, endorsed by the renowned Sacred Bones label and co-produced by her and Martin Thulin of Exploded View. 

Joined at her home in the Berlin countryside, the former political journalist revealed the background of the creation of this second album, the reasons for her semi-silence, the changes in her life and her music, while confessing in passing her great respect for Nico.

PAN M 360: Change is the title of your new album. It’s a very significant word – what does it mean to you?

Anika: This title means so much, but so many different things. It means on the one hand that there are so many changes in the world right now. I don’t know where to start because there have been so many changes in the last year – the coronavirus, the rise of the extreme right, the different social upheavals… But this title also implies personal changes, because a lot of things have happened in the last ten years. So yes, there has been a lot of change and that is indeed the main theme of my album. 

PAN M 360: There are also some changes in the music. What’s changed compared to your last album?

Anika: The first album was made with Beak, quite simply, without any specific goal, we didn’t even think about making an album with these songs. We were only venting about stuff. For the second album, they weren’t even there. My plan was to go back to Bristol and record there, but with the pandemic that just wasn’t possible. So I had to do things differently. I recorded by myself in Berlin and fortunately one of the members of Exploded View came to join me. So yes, it’s different; I didn’t want to pretend I was in a studio in Bristol while I was stranded in a studio in Berlin, I didn’t want to pretend the last ten years hadn’t happened, you know? That would be kind of sad. 

PAN M 360: So what would you say is different? Is it less dubby? 

Anika: Well, it’s different because Beak aren’t playing the music! The whole thing changes. I’m playing most of the instruments while the live drums are done by Martin Thulen from Exploded View, and he has wide, eclectic tastes, but the reason I really wanted to work with him is because of his understanding of post-rock stuff. I kind of wanted it to be a bit different, it was a conscious decision. I didn’t want to force this dubiness. I love dub, but at the same time I’m not gonna make a dub record… I mean, I don’t want to force it if I’m working with people who are not into that music as much as I am. That’s one thing I really noticed about living in Germany, it has a very different relation with music, especially with dub. In England it’s much easier to come across people who have a lot of different understandings of different types of music, whereas here it’s just not there. Here, it’s rock and that’s it. Of course, Berlin is obviously pretty diverse, but a thing like dub is not much there. 

PAN M 360 : Would it be safe to say that there are maybe more elements of krautrock in this new album?

Anika: Hmm… maybe. Like I said, I didn’t sit down and said to myself, “I’m now going to make a krautrock album or a dub album”, it just became what it was. And it obviously has some slight elements of dub in there. A lot of it I recorded in my studio on my own. The thing that was lost, I think, was the drums, because I programmed the drums on an electronic drum machine and then when Martin came, he adapted it for live so the sound of the drums became its own thing. There were not dubby drums like, say, when I was working with Geoff, this was a very different thing. So yes, there was a lot more kraut. The way I write is like a journey. Some of the songs are more structured, more like pop songs, but most of the time the way I write is like a weird journey from the beginning to the end. “Freedom” and “Finger Pies”… these songs were just me jamming alone in my studio one night with some weird synths. If anything, we had to tame these ideas to put it on the record. So yeah, it definitely has a kraut thing but that was just from life you know, it’s the way it was, the way it was written. And to be honest, that’s what lockdown felt like, this ongoing endless sausage, when is this gonna end (laughs). Just imagine a kraut band surfing along it. You have to play a little bit longer, a little bit longer, and then you just keep playing as lockdown extends.

PAN M 360: Tell me about the album’s closing song “Wait For Something”, which is a bit different from what you have done before.

Anika: Yes, definitely! Before the lockdown, I wrote a load of demos, and a lot of them were on the guitar because that’s how I often start, with just the guitar. And also because I had nothing else than this classic guitar. So “Wait For Something” is the only song that made it from the old batch of songs that I wrote before. I felt that it had somewhere to go, but I only had a beginning, so when I played it to Martin and we were trying to work it out, we extended it and it became so cheesy, and then Martin added strings on it. It’s one of the tracks where I just let him go wild, so it became a bit cheesy but I think it’s good to have a mix of stuff, it goes to a lot of different places and I think it’s honest in that way. 

PAN M 360: Since you worked with Martin, do you think that there are some similarities with Exploded View?

Anika: Yes, in some ways. That’s why I wanted to work with him, because we’ve known each other for such a long time and we worked so closely together on various albums. We’ve been through so many tours where everything went wrong, we had face to face confrontations and he’s the sort of person that now is ideal to work with because neither of us is scared of saying no, or “that doesn’t sound very good”, and we’re not gonna take it personally. I know also that Martin hasn’t got anything to prove, he was there to help me out. Very often when you collaborate with someone more in the production role, they kind of start molding it into what they think it should be, and I did not want that to happen! But Geoff is not like that, he’s pretty laid back. But a lot of people would think, “oh, it can become post-punk” or something else, and they start changing things. I just wanted this album to be weird and I don’t have any ideas what it is. I mean, there are a lot of different genres, but I didn’t want it to be… ordered. So that was nice about working with Martin. Plus he can teach me a lot because I really wanted to co-produce it, I knew what I wanted to do with it.

It was a really focused task, from the depth of my soul. There was no energy left for anything else after that.

PAN M 360 : Your first album came out in 2010 and then you did an EP in 2013. Aside from your work with Exploded View and a few collaborations, how come it took so long for you to put out another album under your name? 

Anika: It never seemed right. There were a lot of demos made in that time though, but it  just felt too forced and I didn’t have the tools that I needed in order to put across what I wanted. And Geoff kept saying to me, “we’ll help you do the next album, just go ahead and write it and bring it to us”, but I didn’t know how to write an album! So I went into that long investigation of trying to learn how to write an album because I’ve never been to music school or anything. I did a lot of collaborations where I could learn something. And then I started Exploded View. We thought of naming the project Anika but then it didn’t feel right. It didn’t feel like it gave the musicians credit, and it was also a new project. I think it would have really killed it if we came out with something that sounded the same as my first album. 

PAN M 360: You used to be a political journalist for a little while. Does politics affect your music? 

Anika: Yes, definitely. The world is political, everything is political. Everything we do is based on politics. All this stuff I’ve written, it’s about life, it’s about experiences, so it’s definitely political.

PAN M 360: There are three videos from the new album that were released, “Rights”, “Change”, and “Finger Pies”. You can see the same kind of aesthetic from one video to the other and also a certain emphasis on the clothes, all very chic and original. 

Anika: It’s weird because there were very different people involved. I choose to work with very specific people for very specific reasons. We filmed those clips in Berlin which is a place where I lived for 10 years, I just recently moved out. So the videos are quite Berlin in a way, but it’s not because they’re trying to be Berlin, it’s just that this place has been my life for years. I think it’s nice to put it across in a video and just work with people that I care about, they’ve been part of my life for the last 10 years and they were all saying, “Yes! You’re finally releasing something!” So I had to make them part of it as well. The styling was done by a friend of mine, except for the “Change” video. She’s been a good friend for years and I used to live in the back of her clothing store at one point, surrounded by mannequins and these crazy, inventive clothes that she used to make, so it all symbolizes this whole journey, or part of it. So yes, she makes nice clothes. That’s the fun of it all, you know? You test your own boundaries or limits, especially with “Finger Pie”… people are often trying to tell you who you are, what to do, or how you should dress… That’s why I’m constantly changing skin, you see? I don’t want to be put in one corner, it’s suffocating. I think it’s natural for artists to change in that way. Again, that’s one of the reasons the album is called Change. Some artists stay the same, but if you look at the ones that really sustained through the years, they were okay to keep changing, they changed with the times. Imagine if the Beatles wore their suits the whole time! They’d be stuck there with their same stupid little haircuts for years, and try to squeeze into these tight little suits. 

PAN M 360: Well, the Ramones did exactly that…

Anika: (laughs) True, but I guess it’s because they were messed up since the beginning, you know. For them, it was more a question of attitude. For them, it’s a lifelong sentence (laughs). It’s like Lydia Lunch… I love Lydia Lunch. Well, she got a lot of criticism, last year I think, because she became a yoga teacher… “How can Lydia Lunch become a yoga teacher?” So what? I didn’t have any problem with that, she can do what she wants! 

PAN M 360: You often have been compared to Nico. Everytime we read something about you, there is a Nico comparison, even in the press release I was sent. Aren’t you tired of that?

Anika: It was fair enough in the beginning because people are trying to place you somewhere but by now… I don’t know… I mean, I like Nico, I have a lot of respect for her, she is a very dark character. But last year, I put that whole comparison to rest, at least for myself, because I accepted this project with a string orchestra in Berlin, the Solistenensemble Kaleidoskop. They’re kind of the rebels of the string scene, and we played Nico’s Desertshore album. We did it only twice because of the lockdown, and we worked so long on it. We were working through the internet, then we had masked rehearsals… But it was such an interesting project. Before that, I avoided Nico because of this comparison, somehow. But that’s the way it is. She still got there first!

Last June, Anoush Moazzeni gave an inspiring concert of contemporary and female musical creativity from Iran, Turkey, Lebanon, Israel, the United States and Canada at the Suoni per il popolo Festival in Montreal. We took the opportunity to talk to her and discover her world. At the time of our video conference, she had been in Iran for almost a year and a half, due to the pandemic.

Pan M 360: Hello Anoush. You have been in Iran for more than a year now while your home is in Montreal. Why are you there?

Anoush Moazzeni: I had come to Iran for workshops and also to see family, but the pandemic took the turn that we know and given the cancellations, postponements and other delays for the return, I finally decided to let the storm pass. I’m lucky because I live in a nice flat owned by my parents, I have a piano and I was able to work remotely (I’m an Assistant Professor, Research Assistant et Ph.D candidate at Concordia University in Montreal) and even do some music commissions. I’ve managed!

Pan M 360: Looking at your web page, we can see that you do a lot of things. In a few words, how would you describe yourself?

Anoush Moazzeni: I identify myself as a concert pianist, interdisciplinary artist, researcher, creator, educator. It’s quite varied indeed!

Pan M 360: What are the roots of this interest in the avant-garde and contemporary creation? Are they rooted in family?

Anoush Moazzeni: Music ran in my family, that’s true. My mother is a singer and has always had a love for Persian literature and music. I learned to play the piano at the age of five and my parents always encouraged my choices. At the age of 18 I started my studies at Tehran University and 3 years later I went to Lyon (France) to continue my piano studies. In parallel, I developed a love for computers, philosophy and digital arts. I completed a master’s degree in piano in Montreal, and it was there that I developed my identity as a multidisciplinary artist. I discovered a cultural crossroads that allowed me to reveal my own essence at the intersection of several artistic disciplines.

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Pan M 360: Where else did you get your attraction to the avant-garde?

Anoush Moazzeni: I travelled a lot! I went to Köln and to IRCAM (Institute for Research and Coordination of Acoustics and Music) in Paris. Once here in Canada, I was given the chance to participate in festivals where I could try things out. I appreciate this great freedom and the opportunity to delve into unconventional territories that allow me to explore all the avant-garde possibilities and also those of a constructive dialogue between Western and Persian traditions.

Pan M 360: As a woman of Iranian origin, do you believe you are a model, an inspiration for other women in this part of the world?

Anoush Moazzeni: I don’t see myself as a role model, but I can assume that I can be an inspiration for those who suffer from the usual limitations in this region. Yes, it’s very good if my example can help to break the barrier of ‘I can’t do that’. I see that it is still a bit taboo to be a woman and to be independent. People sometimes say to me, “Did you really do that all by yourself? Wasn’t it your boyfriend?” Even here in Canada! So I can understand the difficulties of many women in the world. That’s why I give help and advice to women composers as I did with my project Deterritorializing the realm of new music.

I have also been researching the place of women in avant-garde creation, particularly women from minorities and those from the LGBTQ+ community. If my background can serve as an inspiration, so much the better. But it would be pretentious to define myself as a role model!

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Pan M 360: Let’s talk about Deterritorializing the realm of new music. What was it about?

Anoush Moazzeni: I commissioned works from West Asian composers (Iran, Turkey, Lebanon, Israel) who live and create either there or in the West. The pieces were to be written for piano (I am the performer) accompanied by either voice, tape, audiovisual installation or electronic recordings.

Pan M 360: What is your assessment?

Anoush Moazzeni: I didn’t have any particular expectations, but I am happy to have participated in my own way in this vast project, which is to stimulate avant-garde creation in regions outside the West. I hope that in the long run, radical scholarly creativity will emerge from the almost exclusively Western territories. Hence the title of the project!

Pan M 360: In addition to being a performer, what roles do you play in the production of this kind of project?

Anoush Moazzeni: All of them! I book the musicians, plan the rehearsals, do the promotion, contact the festivals, manage the recording and video broadcasting, etc.

VISIT THE SUONI PER IL POPOLO WEBSITE TO WATCH THE VIDEO OF PART OF ANOUSH MOAZZENI’S CONCERT ON JUNE 15, 2021 (you have to scroll down to the bottom of the page to access the video)

Pan M 360: You are definitely even more ‘multidisciplinary’ than the usual artistic label suggests! Are there any other projects of yours that we can see and hear?

Anoush Moazzeni: If people ever get to Toronto (once the border restrictions are lifted), they can visit the Aga Khan Museum, which has a beautiful exhibition by Azerbaijani artist Faig Ahmed, Dissolving Order. His work is inspired by the ancient art of carpets, a thousand-year-old tradition throughout the Near East region. He uses new technologies to reappropriate the artistic expression linked to this tradition. My contribution was a musical piece that included audio-visual materials. I used piano, digital and invented sounds, concrete sounds, such as those of a machine used to make carpets, etc., and I mixed everything together. The graphic notation was inspired by the carpet patterns of the region. I also asked an artist to weave these notations into a traditional style fabric.

Pan M 360: I also understand that you have a new project underway in Quebec City?

Anoush Moazzeni: Yes, it’s a production residency at the Chambre blanche in Quebec City, from August 3 to September 18. It’s called

Autopoiesis in the Making and it’s about creating original digital instruments. It will take advantage of my interest in interdisciplinarity because I will include artificial intelligence.

The beauty of this is that the result of my research there will be integrated into another project under construction, that of an opera at Concordia University. It will be very experimental, very far from the traditional form. In addition to investing artificial intelligence, I want to integrate virtual reality. The singer will have to move and interpret the score in a totally new context.

Pan M 360: Do you still give traditional classical piano concerts?

Anoush Moazzeni: No, not at the moment. I am very busy with my career in the avant-garde. But I still practice every day.

Pan M 360: Which classical composers do you like?

Anoush Moazzeni: Bach, Scriabin, moderns like Webern. I also like Brahms, Chopin, Saint-Saëns.

Pan M 360: Who inspires you in contemporary art?

Anoush Moazzeni: Artists in akousmatics, electroacoustics, and also female artists and many from first nations.

Pan M 360: Thank you

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