Airhaert is a multi-instrumentalist, DJ, producer and visual artist. Last February, she released I. I. (Intuitive Intelligence), an electro-ambient-techno album with granular textures that aims at grounding, meditation, and the discovery of things buried deep within oneself. The album is inspired by the new sciences of intuition, Taoist philosophy and various healing theories. PAN M 360 enjoyed a few moments of conversation after her performance at Experience 2 of the MUTEK festival.

Photo credits : Frédérique Ménard-Aubin

PAN M 360: First off, can you quickly take us through your musical journey? How did you become Airhaert?

Airhaert: In elementary school, my program was very focused on music, as an afterschool thing. I remember I didn’t like recess that much, I liked music more. So I participated in choir, concert band, jazz band. I would participate in almost anything music-related. Participating in all these things, and playing all these instruments, flute, alto saxophone, and using my voice, it really embedded that into my being as a child, and now, going back to music really makes me feel like home. 

I stopped music when I went into high school. I wanted to do visual art. I went to university to get a bachelor’s degree in fine arts, and at the end of it all I still wasn’t sure of what I wanted to do, I dabbled in all of the mediums and professions, I worked as a videographer, photographer, graphic designer, even as a technician, and these are all things that I thought I wanted to pursue. But all of those things encompassed being an artist. In the last years of my undergrad, I started to incorporate sound into my installations. Once I discovered DJing, like 8 or 9 years ago, it really opened up my ear, and it propelled me into a deep understanding of electronic music and other different genres. I’ve also been trying to produce in tangent to DJing, but it’s only been for the last 3 or so years where I feel confident enough in the studio to produce solid tracks. Obviously, there’s always more to learn. And then, also, moving to Montreal around 8 years ago was inspiring, because there’s a huge community of artists that I can relate to, artists that pursue international passions like myself.

PAN M 360: You recently released an album titled I. I., which stands for Intuitive Intelligence. Can you tell us what this means for you?

Airhaert: I got really inspired by this book, Body of Health, by Francesca McCartney. She wrote her PhD thesis about this energetic intuitive intelligence. It means that you can heal yourself and use sound as well as your mind and auric energy to heal places within yourself and train your mental and physical space. It’s pretty complex, so I’m trying to summarize it.

PAN M 360: And how do these notions translate in your work?

Airhaert: I had a whole year to work on my album, because I got a grant through the Jeunes volontaires program from Emploi-Québec, which were inspired by the fact that I wanted to fuse healing music with electronic music, and enjoyed the idea of disseminating those ideas into the world. So, how I used these notions: I started with the chakras, because the author of the book talks about them, and how they each have different frequencies. When you tap into the sound and meditate on it, it changes things in your interior world. In my work, I was trying to use each song of the album as a different chakra point. So, for each song, I would fine tune all of the instruments to the corresponding key of the corresponding chakra point I was focusing on. Also, I used instruments from the sound healing realm, like a singing bowl. I didn’t bring it on stage and instead used the recordings of it, because it’s very fragile.

PAN M 360: What sounds do you like using the most? Are there any sounds you obsess over?

Airhaert: It’s hard to say, because it’s so easy to loop something, which then becomes so repetitive and obsessive. But I try to always use voice. I really love the voice as an element, whether it turns into a pad or an actual vocal.

PAN M 360: What does your music make you feel, when you make it?

Airhaert: That’s really challenging to say! I made it, so I know all the details and hard work that went into it. And I’ve listened to it so many times, especially in the mixing and mastering stages, that I put it away for a long time. I stopped listening to it altogether. So, back then, it made me feel like « Oh my god, I’m happy it’s over! », and now, listening back to it, I feel like it’s more meditative for me.

PAN M 360: The themes that your music explores can be seen as both very academic and very instinctive. Which one are you most between the two?

Airhaert: I’m in more of a « feel things as they come » and intuitive way of doing things. I think this whole year of making the album really made me use that intuitive intelligence muscle. I’m more of an intuition-based person in my work, even if there are a lot of technicalities to it, which I do keep in mind. But the big point was using that intuitive muscle and training it throughout the year. And now I have it!

PAN M 360: Great! Thank you Airhaert!

Husa & Zeyada constitutes both an audiovisual project and an Egyptian-Canadian electronic group. They characterize their work as a fusion between Zeyada’s synth-soaked bedroom pop with electric guitars and the mystical deep house style of Montreal-based DJ and producer Adam Husa. Husa is also recognized for his music released on labels like Sol Selectas, Seven Villas, Magician On Duty, and his own entity, Husa Sounds. Collaboratively, Husa & Zeyada traverse a path of sensuous and enigmatic electronic indie-rock, enveloped in lyrics that blend both English and Arabic languages. The duo, whose partnership was formed shortly before the onset of the pandemic, has established themselves in Dahab, located in the southern Sinai region.

They have released multiple tracks and videos, each highlighting their artistic vision and impressive execution skills. Husa & Zeyada’s inventive approach to music production and their ability to seamlessly blend a diverse range of electronic sounds has led to numerous remixes by artists such as Hernan Cattaneo, Mustafa Ismaeel, Madmotormiquel, and Artphormque. In 2022, the duo unveiled their debut album, Long Way Home, crafted after just a week of jam sessions and exploration. This album encompasses a significant portion of their previously released singles.

On the eve of their first-ever appearance at MUTEK, Adam Husa and Rola Zeyada talked about how they met, their chemistry that unites them in art and love, the nuances and difficulties of singing in Arabic, their new project, and the explosion of electronic music in the Middle East and North Africa.

PAN M 360: Tell us a little bit about your individual backgrounds

Zeyada: I’m Egyptian. I was born and raised in Egypt. I went to college in New York for undergrad, and then for master’s and this is when I started doing music. I was more into indie and rock, and kind of had a band and then a duo in New York. And then I went solo, and went back to Egypt before the pandemic, and yeah, this is where we met a few months
after.

Husa: I left Montreal, maybe six months before Corona time, about three or four years ago. I was doing a lot of events here and I went to Egypt just to focus on music. And then when the pandemic hit, the airports closed. This is when I decided to go move to Dahab. And Dahab is where we build a studio and everything. And then we met over there, and this is where is our studio and home, this is where we got married and started our creation hub.

Zeyada: Dahab is a little town on the coast of Egypt, it’s like a Bedouin/hippie town, like a kite surfing community… A very small rural place. Just very, very raw, with just small bedroom houses. We built our studio there and we based ourselves there. This is our home.

Husa: We’re coming back to Canada. So we’re gonna start building a world on this side.

PAN M 360: What made you decide to work together?

Zeyada: Well I was visiting Dahab and a friend of mine connected me with Adam and his, at the time, roommates. They were both musicians and were sharing a studio. I actually went to record with this other person, we were gonna jam and make something but it actually didn’t flow very well with that person. I mean, we’re friends, but I left. And then Adam messaged me, I think he was sleeping in the other room and he heard what I was trying to do and I think he liked it. Our styles kind of matched. Maybe we were both influenced by each other, by being from Montreal and New York and also just like me being into rock and him being into dance music and bringing these two things together. I think we saw more similarities there than with other people we worked with who are more into the oriental sounds.

Husa: We just really connected on the sound. Even though she was more from the rock scene I felt it connected with where I wanted to go with electronic music. So this is where we saw a really cool space to build a bridge for these sounds a little.

PAN M 360: So is it the music that led to love or the love that led to music?

Zeyada: Music led to love … I mean, it almost all happened at the same time. I mean, for a good week there we were talking about how music is all that matters, and we got to make it, you know, and then everything kind of merged and happened quickly. And this is the core of everything, like this is why everything else can be great. But also we recognized that our sound together was really special.

Husa: And really in the beginning, we were together almost every day, and we finished the first album probably in the first week, so everything was happening so fast on the music side. And it was really a point where we didn’t want to focus on anything else but music.

Zeyada: For me, as someone who was working more with bands, the format of writing with a band, or even when I write alone with just a guitar or with a ukulele sometimes, it’s so different than electronic music production. And when we got together, I think I saw how fast I could be working when we have this flow, rather than just the slow flow of a band. Just kind of working, working, working, keep working until things come out not just wait for things to happen. And that, for me, was really exciting. That’s why we made so much in the first week together.

PAN M 360: Is the result mostly what we can hear on
your first album Long Way Home?

Zeyada: Long Way Home was basically all made within the first two weeks we met. So it was very heavy. And also we were very influenced by the times we were living in. We were eight or 10 months into Corona. We couldn’t travel, we weren’t seeing too many people, we were in this in-between place, surrounded by the desert and the sea, and you kind of have all the fears of society but at the same time, you kind of forget about it…

Husa: So basically after this last year, we started touring and then we also started seeing which position we wanted to put ourselves in a club format. So everything you hear on Spotify is technically older things but what you hear live is stuff that we’ve made right before leaving the studio, which is a lot different but a lot more…

Zeyada: Groovy?

Husa: A lot more rock and roll in an electronic way.

PAN M 360: Were you inspired by other artists? I hear a bit of Gudrun Gut and Seelenluft in your music.

Zeyada: We don’t know any of those artists! Honestly, I have to say I’ve been loving the different things that we remind people of. It’s like things from the ’70s, or some punk bands, or alternative stuff from the ’90s … It makes me happy that you’re just telling us about these artists. I’m very curious to hear them. I’d say some of our biggest inspiration has been Darkside for sure. I also like Dope Lemon, like a bit more on the indie side. Personally, I like rock things like The Strokes and Timber Timbre, I’m a little bit more on the rock and punk side.

Husa: I mean, I’ve always really liked what Darkside was doing. And I felt there’s a whole world of sound in this type of realm of just electric guitars with electronic music. I guess this was kind of an influence that’s been in my head for a long time.

PAN M 360: On your first album you only sing in English but I read that you were also sometimes singing in Arabic.

Zeyada: Actually, we’re a little bit behind on releases. Like most of the things we play at our live sets are not even released. We play a little of Long Way Home, especially the songs we connect with the most. But again, that album was produced very early in our life together. So we are also a bit about just making things in the studio and then performing them. We like this aspect of always having new stuff. So there are a lot of tracks that made it in and then out and so on. So usually at least 30% of the set is sung in Arabic. But I think we only have one released Arabic track, which we don’t even play live … I’m trying to write in Arabic the way I do in English and not go for this oriental sound, which I personally don’t connect with.

Husa: In Arabic, there’s so much more you could say within the same timeframe because there are more vowels you can put, so you can go a lot deeper in a way, even if you don’t understand the language, you can understand the meaning of it, which for me is really interesting. I’m also starting to record her in Arabic because I am still learning the language. So I’m still a bit slow on picking up conversation and stuff like this. But sometimes I understand before she even tells me what the lyrics actually mean. I just feel it. So this is why singing in Arabic really became super interesting for us, because it just goes a lot deeper if you do it properly, which she does.

Zeyada: It’s a lot harder to write in Arabic, especially in this context. At some point, we were going to stop trying to write in Arabic because we were so fast at making music in English. We can do a whole song in just one day in English whereas it can take three or four days to do something in Arabic. I think this is the third most popular language in the world and yet it is so limited musically. It is mostly stuck in this commercial oriental place. Within Egypt itself, the pop scene sucks. Rock came so late here that now we’re doing it in the way that it was done 30 years ago. So if we’re gonna keep catching up to genres, 20-something years later, we’re never really gonna make anything new. But at the same time, electronic music is rising in the Middle East. So I feel we are finally closing the gap a little bit over here.

PAN M 360: I see a lot of electro stuff coming out of Tunisia, Morocco, Lebanon, Jordan, and Egypt… I feel it’s starting to really blow up in a lot of Arabic countries.

Zeyada: It’s so so big. It’s happening now. Like in just the past couple of years, the scene has grown so much, there are so many events taking place, and more artists also. And the more electronic events you have, the more likely you’ll get people interested in it and wanting to create music themselves.

Husa: In the past three, or four years I’ve been there. I’ve seen things accelerate so fast. There are so many new opportunities, there are so many new sounds, it’s massive.

PAN M 360: Anything new coming up? Like another record maybe?

Husa: We’re working on this concept album and it is a little complex. We have this fictional story that kind of merges with reality. There are so many ideas.

Zeyada: We have the music for the album ready and now we’re building the visual for the story. The music is already kind of developed with the idea of this visual concept in mind. So it’s the first time we’re actually fully able to make a project 100% audio and visual.

Husa: The idea is that these characters are from another timeline and keep crossing over to this reality. So that’s kind of how we want to position our next album, which is a full-out audio-visual merge between reality and fiction concepts.

Zeyada: So we’re actually performing this music at MUTEK.

Husa: I’m excited. I think we’ve been picking up on a lot of things that are working and orchestrating something unique for this one. But this project is still developing; the core concept of it is we’re really trying to bring this idea of just bringing more rock and roll into electronic music sideways. So I think this one will show a little bit more of that than the past album.

PAN M 360: And on stage, is it only both of you?

Husa: Rola plays guitar and sings and I have Ableton with controllers and the MS 20 semi-modular synth. It’s cool because all the sets are kind of freestyling, so it’s always different.

HUSA & ZEYDAYA PLAY MUTEK EXPERIENCE 3, AUG 24 – TICKETS HERE

You may know the name Rich Aucoin more so in the alternative indie pop world, known for his explosive, high-energy shows where he crowd surfs (on a literal surfboard) and his hilarious multimedia meme antics, but lately, he’s been focusing on a more synthesized sound.

He’s released two parts of his Synthetic album series, where he plays more than 37 synths, probably the most on an album in the history of music, using some historic synths like Supertramp-owned Elka Rhapsody 610 String Machine. Now he’s taking a live performance of this electronic ‘Air meets Daft Punk’ show to MUTEK and he had some time with PAN M 360 to chat about it.

PAN M 360: You launched Synthetic Seasons 1 and 2, Is the vibe of three going to be much different and how do you plan on playing parts of these releases live? You must have a ton of synths you’re touring with.

Rich Aucoin: I plan to play these tracks very similarly to the album; mostly making adjustments for timing. While I’d love to tour with a bunch of synths, it’s very logistically difficult so I’ll be making the best I can on just a Moog and Juno and samples. Many of the synths on the album are giant and/or one-of-a-kind, like TONTO, and/or very expensive to own.

PAN M 360: I suppose you could play it as a DJ too?

Rich Aucoin: Yeah, I’m not DJing but I am performing with Ableton and samples from the album. 

PAN M 360: Is there going to be as much energy at these MUTEK shows as say when you toured United States? – Running around, surfing in the crowd…

Rich Aucoin: I hope there’ll be some high-energy moments. While I am normally known to have shows like that, I thought this show might be better, a little more cerebral and less directed as my normal shows are led, so, I’ll just stay on stage and no crowd surfing on surfboards for this one. 

PAN M 360: And what about the multimedia memes? Are we going to get a bit of that with the Synthetic performance?

Rich Aucoin: Yeah, I thought the MUTEK crowd might just want to stay in music and not be distracted by the normal multimedia memes I pepper throughout the show so I’ll be more relying on the lighting and vibes of the show than the normal projections I use. 

PAN M 360: I got a huge Air influence on Season 1 and more of a Tangerine Dream and Daft Punk vibe on two. Do you think about the general musical themes for each season or is it more organic than that?

Rich Aucoin: Yeah, there isn’t an exact plan of genres on the 4 seasons, I just made a list of all the songs I wanted to make and have them written on some cardboard and pinned to my wall and I just look at how they can each all fit together. Definitely, some more Air and Daft Punk to come along with Gobin and Vangelis. 

PAN M 360: Are you a guy who listens to a lot of electronic music? I have to admit I was kind of shocked by how hard you went into the synth world with these Synthetic seasons.

Rich Aucoin: Yes, I’ve loved synth music since I was a kid and have been wanting to make this record since the beginning of my music career. I visited the Cantos Museum in 2008 while recording my first album across Canada and decided I’d try to come back and make a record with all their keyboards one day. It has since turned into the National Music Centre and is where I did an Artist In Residence program and started recording this album in March 2020. I grew up listening to Air, Daft Punk, Justice, Cornelius, Aphex Twin, Brian Eno, Wendy Carlos and was a big fan of synth soundtracks like Vangelis’ Blade Runner. I studied Electro Acoustic Experimental Recording at Dal too and got into early synthesis pioneers like Pierre Schaeffer and Eliane Radigue and then since then have gotten into all sorts of synth music from Oneohtrix Point Never to Dan Deacon, Caribou, Todd Terje and Jon Hopkins.

PAN M 360: Would you say that when you were crafting these songs, it was more of an improvisation or play than “songwriting?” Like finding a loop or setting you love and exploring that?

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Rich Aucoin: Yeah, I’d say the power of the sounds synths creates really makes you alter your writing to it in a way that you’re surprised by something and pivot to accept that new turn in a way that you wouldn’t be as surprised by a chord on a piano for instance (though sometimes you still can be so it’s not completely different). So yes, there’s some songs that have a chord progression or a rhythm or a melody as a starting point and there are some that just start as the soundscape and timbres. For the tracks on historic synthesizers on the album, like TONTO, I just recorded myself playing it for about 3 hours and then, later in the studio, I went back over all the recordings and picked out my favourite moments and then began stacking and arranging them into a piece of music of about 5min in length down for 3hrs. Some songs have a great 4 bar riff or loop from a synth and that was all the time I had with that synth to create the basic structure of the song with.

PAN M 360: Do you already have plans for your next project after Synthetic? I feel a guy with your kind of creative mind is always three steps ahead.

Rich Aucoin: Yes, I am also looking at a piece of cardboard with my next 6 albums all planned on it. Lots more new directions to explore after this but I’d like to continue my synth writing on soundtracks hopefully. 

PAN M 360: Are you going to be able to check out MUTEK at all? Any artists you’re excited to see?

Rich Aucoin: I have been so busy this summer that I’ve barely had the time to look ahead. I’m coming for the whole festival though and plan to go to shows every night. Hoping to find some good synth music and some progressive house DJs. 

RICH AUCOIN Plays MUTEK Metropolis 2 on Saturday, August 26, 2023, 11:00 pm_6:00 am
TICKETS HERE

In a style truly their own, x/o seemlessly exploits both power and vulnerability to create electronic pieces that are intricate, heavy and soothing. In particular, the vocals lead to many contrasting territories, some vaguely familiar and some new. Based in Vancouver, x/o is about to perform at Mutek’s Nocturne 2, Thursday 24th. Let yourself dive ahead of time in their world. 

Photograph credit : SKIBICKI

PAN M 360 : To the reader unaquainted with your music, how would you describe your sound and overall artistic approach?

x/o : My sound is a wide combination of different genres put together in a soundtrack like form. It’s like a film score to a movie that doesn’t exist. Some of the genres you might find include electronic, breakbeat, trip hop with elements of classical, metal and music box melodies. I’m also influenced by a lot of anime and video game media. Some of my favorites include Kaiba, Claymore, Nier Automata and the Final Fantasy series.

PAN M 360 : What is your musical or artistic background prior to starting x/o?

x/o : I’m a self-taught creative. Prior to doing electronic music, I did a lot of graphic design and I played in a band where I wrote songs with friends, sang and played around with guitar and keyboard. 

PAN M 360 : Your music is both soothing and heavy and could spark a discussion about musical genres. Rather, I’d like to ask how you begin to create a piece from scratch. Does it stem from an electronic sound, a vocal idea, or a non-musical concept?

x/o : For me, it’s very intuitive. It’s very explorative. A lot of times, I will start to just play with the keyboard and see what comes out. I like to be inspired by sounds that I hear. When I hear a sound that I like, it influences me to write music in a certain way or mood. And then when I start to build on that, then I start to think about what sounds excite me, what kind of feelings I want to feel in a song that sounds like this. A lot of times, you’ll hear two very different styles put into one. I love to hear very opposing sounds come together, I find it quite satisfying, in a way. As a music listener, I listen to all sorts of different genres and I like these different genres for different reasons. But I find it especially interesting when they come together in different ways.

PAN M 360 : What can audiences expect from your appearance at Mutek? What will you be presenting?

x/o : I’m presenting in audiovisual performance of my album Chaos Butterfly. Overall, the audiovisual performance uses fantasy narratives as an allegory to transcending societal norms in regards to gender. And the illustrations are also Fantasy-influenced and drawn by this incredible artist and collaborator NicoSaba. You can expect a full evolution from cocoon egg to Chaos Butterfly.

PAN M 360 : Having heard your album and read the liner notes, I know that there is complex symbolism underlining your music. In your own words, what non-musical ideas push you to create?

x/o : In my music I like to explore duality through a non binary lens. When it comes to either sound, or visuals, I like to take hyper-feminine and hyper-masculine tropes and combine them together to create something unique that encompasses many versions of itself. When you have these two very different things come together… I think it’s both the wholeness and the moments in between that are really beautiful.

PAN M 360 : Thank you very much!

x/o is playing on Thursday 24th at Mutek. Make sure to catch their set at Nocturne 2 (12:40AM) at SAT.

BILLETTERIE

Erin Gee is a multidisciplinary artist based in Tio’tia :ké/Montréal who specializes in creating complex technological systems that implicate the human body, whether hers and/or her audience’s. She has a busy schedule of artistic performances and academic research. Nonetheless, she took some time to answer our questions about her current work and upcoming performance at Mutek 2023, Thursday August 24th.

Photograph copyright : Mark Mushet

PAN M 360 : In your own words, how would you summarize your practice for the reader unaquainted with your art?

Erin Gee : I am currently very inspired by emotion, that is, the materiality of emotion : how emotions change our body physically. I’m not interested in a naturalist approach to emotion. So, it’s not like there’s a resource all over the world called emotion and I’m just going to take that with my technologies and take a nice picture with that. Rather, I manipulate emotions in real time together with my audience.

We experience music as something that manipulates our emotions and is completely subconscious. I ask the question : is it possible to consciously manipulate our emotions to have a different relationship with music?

PAN M 360 : You have a background as a vocalist, which influences all of your work. Can you elaborate on exactly what this background is?

Erin Gee : When I was younger, I was trained as a soprano in classical music. There’s a little bit of that in what I will present at Mutek, but I think my bodily and even social experiences as a singer influence me more than classical music itself. I am not doing opera at my shows.

We could talk about the dominance and outsized importance that we give to Western music, but at the same time, this is music that has lasted for centuries. Somebody bothered to preserve this music. There’s something very precious in it. And most of the music we listen to… who knows whether it will be lasting hundreds of years or not?

I really had this sense romance for classical music that went beyond my social context and I think it gave me a different relationship to music, one that was a bit more profound. I think that any music that is hundreds of years old could have this effect on someone. It’s just that this was the music that I encountered.

PAN M 360 : At Mutek 2023, you will present Affect flow (2022), a longform ASMR performance. What can you say about the work without spoiling too much?

Erin Gee : I think I’m working with really different codes of ambient and electronic music. My style is something that’s kind of a cross between your typical, electroacoustic music and something that’s a bit more like a theatrical experience. I use my body, such as doing very precise hand gestures, facial expressions and using my voice in very musical ways to induce trance-like experiences.

I think that this is very unique for electroacoustic music composers because a lot of electroacoustic music composers tend to be incognito, but I’m right there having an experience with you, inviting you into my voice, into my experience… and there’s a lot of humor in it as well. So don’t worry. We don’t need to take it too seriously.

PAN M 360 : In what ways do you invite listeners to rethink preconceived notions of sound and music?

Erin Gee : Normally, you hear music and it emotionally influences you, but I’m really interested in you having the power to emotionally influence your own emotions.  

And I give you the tools to do that. I’m using ASMR, which is this internet phenomenon. I like calling it folk hypnotism because it’s hyptonic, but nothing too serious or official. It’s definitely like a folk practice. It was developed by the people for the people.          

ASMR is actually like a bunch of emotional hacks that don’t work on everyone, but  do on people susceptible to pleasure in touch or who enjoy social touch. I mine all of the codes of ASMR and I apply them towards my performances. I’m interested in people during these biofeedback segments, inviting them to participate in emotional hacking exercises, and then observing how the music changes.  Sometimes it « works » and sometimes it doesn’t. I’m not trying to create some impressive algorithm or to trick anyone.

PAN M 360 : Will you keep creating in this general direction in the near furure?

Erin Gee : Oh, absolutely! I’m working on a new ASMR roleplay about decomposition. I’m speaking on behalf of a mushroom that is going to be decomposing your body after death, and this is a bit of a surprising work for me because I take a really open attitude to my work and I really privilege and trust in my creativity to take me to this next step where I need to be creatively, but sometimes I’m not sure what that means until after the work is out in the world.

Pan M 360 : It seems to me that your art often explores the intricate ways in which technology and human emotions affect eachother. Is there a social commentary or criticism that motivates your work?

Erin Gee : My biggest critique is the faith we have in technology. Don’t be wowed by the tech that I got, the tech that’s inside you is actually pretty rad. There is an idea that technology is culture and that emotions are nature. But no : everything is culture – emotions or technology – and it’s all man-made. Facebook recently proved that they could manipulate their user’s emotions : these are social hacks. If the companies are aware of social hacks, why can’t we be aware of it too and have fun with it? Why can’t this be the art of our time? I think we are surrounded by emotional manipulation. To villify the women that are actually making artistic commentary on this (ASMR) is a mistake.

PAN M 360 : Thank you very much!

Erin Gee will be performing Affect Flow at Mutek on Thursday, August 24 at Les 7 doigts de la main (Play 1).

BILLETTERIE

In early August, rapper Neimo unveiled the excellent BOÎTE DE PANDORE, a nine-track mixtape showcasing the Quebecer’s versatility and skills. To coincide with the release, PAN M 360 caught up with the 18-year-old artist at his studio to discuss his story, his influences, his new project and even Hubert Lenoir.

Born in Quebec to two French parents, Neimo grew up in the town of Saint-Eustache. Over the past two years, the young man has released a number of tracks and caught the attention of the Montreal scene, notably with the release of his Né pour briller and Rien n’a changé EPs. His Franco-Quebec accent, his musical universe, his pen and his diversified flows make him an artist to watch in the coming years.

With BOÎTE DE PANDORE, we meet an authentic, transparent and creative Neimo. The artist explores new avenues in the excellent productions he has worked on. We sense that his music is in flux, resulting in moments that are both musically flawed and interestingly different.

Passing through boom bap, trap, more sung tracks and even jazz, the protagonist is accompanied by men on CENDRES and Franky Fade on AROUND THE WORLD, one of the project’s best tracks. This diverse yet coherent offering tells the story of Neimo’s psychological journey during the album’s creation. Lasting around twenty minutes, BOÎTE DE PANDORE is highly accessible and well worth discovering.

Neimo will perform at the Ministère on September 7 during québécois rap artist DVinyle’s album launch.

PAN M 360: Pleased to meet you! Where are you from and how did your passion for music come about?

NEIMO: I was born in Quebec to two French parents, which explains my half-French, half-Quebec accent. I grew up in Saint-Eustache and only moved to Montreal last July. At the age of three, I was introduced to music at the Conservatoire. Later, I took violin in elementary school, for at least an hour every day. By the time I was twelve, I couldn’t stand the violin anymore and decided to sell it. Shortly afterwards, I set up a mini-studio in my bedroom with my laptop, a microphone, a speaker and a sound card. That’s all it took for me to start recording tracks on YouTube-type beats, and here I am today.

PAN M 360: What kind of music did you listen to when you were younger? What do you listen to now?

NEIMO: I listened to a lot of French rap, and still do. The first projects by Caballero & JeanJass and Nekfeu were very important to me. Today, I listen to everything. These days, I’m really into 70s rock and current rap.

PAN M 360: And these artists you’ve just named, is that what you’d like to be like?

NEIMO: This is going to sound surprising, but I’d say they’re not my biggest influences. My favorite artist is Hubert Lenoir. I definitely want to rhyme and impress an artist like Caballero, but I’d like to follow in Hubert’s footsteps more.

PAN M 360: That’s definitely not the answer I was expecting, but it’s true that you can feel Hubert Lenoir’s influence in BOÎTE DE PANDORE. What’s your favourite of his projects?

NEIMO: It’s definitely his most recent, PICTURA DE IPSE: Musique directe. I really like Darlène and the two opuses from his former project The Seasons, but it’s really his latest album that “slapped me in the face”. At first, her album is almost repulsive, because you don’t really understand what you’re listening to. After 3-4 listens, you understand the coherence within the incoherence of his art. His music becomes crystal clear and you can’t stop listening. It got me hooked and even touched me at times. There are phrases that are unusual in popular music. It’s a sincere project and I find it very interesting.

PAN M 360: How would you say this project influenced your new mixtape?

NEIMO: The concept of direct music and simply expressing what’s going on in our lives has inspired me a lot. The track UN AUTRE GARS is a great example of that. Otherwise, his influence can be felt in the visuals, insofar as I let myself go and am not afraid to accept extravagance.

PAN M 360: Let’s talk more about BOÎTE DE PANDORE, your latest project, released on August 4. What was the creative process like?

NEIMO: It’s been a very long creative process. I started working on this mixtape before Né pour briller, my EP released in November 2022. During the creation of BOÎTE DE PANDORE, I went through several questioning phases. On several occasions, the project was almost aborted. It all started a little over a year ago when I was with a friend and we recorded the introduction. At the time, we thought the creative process was going to go like clockwork, but that wasn’t the case. We had to do over 50 tracks to get to the nine that are on the mixtape. The process was very interesting, and it allowed me to ask myself a lot of questions. The first version of the project had more interludes and there was more narrative. After listening to the sounds, we decided to cut some of them to make them more digestible, which forced us to remove some interludes so as not to have too many versus the number of songs. But we still managed to tell the story I wanted to, and I’m really happy with the result.

PAN M 360: What did these interludes allow us to learn about the history of the project? What was the message you wanted to convey?

NEIMO: There was an interlude of a voice recording of a discussion I’d had with a friend where I said I was overwhelmed by my problems, but that I had to deal with them one by one. This piece set the mood for a string of several songs about different problems, but we put it aside. We had also planned to do an interlude to “close” Pandora’s box in the middle of the project to indicate the start of the second half of the mixtape. We also decided to remove it because it was too long. Despite the absence of these interludes, it’s easy to understand my project. BOÎTE DE PANDORE is a very personal project. In a way, it’s about my quest for happiness. It’s about accepting one’s emotions and wanting to achieve a certain inner serenity. The project begins darkly by talking about break-ups, and this is also reflected in the track UN AUTRE GARS. As the project progresses, the vibe becomes softer and we understand that I have a girlfriend. The project follows my mental path and my positive direction. If you listen to the lyrics, you’re following my psychological progress.

PAN M 360: The soundtracks of the various tracks on the project are really interesting. Did you take charge of the project’s production?

NEIMO: In part, yes. Some of the tracks I produced myself, while others required the input of several people. At the very beginning, the project was supposed to be produced by one person, but that didn’t work out. Two producers from France took it over and the mixtape project came back to life. During the process, I would create mock-ups and send them to other colleagues who would add to them. In fact, I worked with Quebec producer Kodakludo on several occasions. It was very enriching to work with different people, and the result was very complete.

PAN M 360: One of my favourite songs is unequivocally AROUND THE WORLD with Franky Fade. What is this song about?

NEIMO: It’s not all joy and celebration yet, but it’s starting to get a bit better. Basically, it’s about making do with what you’ve got to be happy. It’s also about playing shows with friends and “touring the world” with our music. It’s really a song about spending time with friends and being the strongest. It’s very egocentric and raw as a title.

There’s an anecdote I have to tell about AROUND THE WORLD. In the beginning, I received a prod and the sample drove me crazy. At that point, I wrote a first verse and sent it to Franky Fade, who in turn sent it back to me with his part. Franky wanted to rework the drums in the song, but I’d lost the file with the various sound tracks. It was total panic. One day, we finally managed to find the sample and I had to redo the drums and rewrite my verse to finish my track. It’s both the first track I started for the project and the last one I finalized. The second version is much better than the first, so maybe it was a good thing I lost the files!

PAN M 360: With its jazz opening and more sung second half, Différemment stands out from all the other tracks on BOÎTE DE PANDORE. What’s the idea behind this two-step title?

NEIMO: Listen, the opening of the song was recorded at Maison Kekpart, the youth center in Longueuil. I was at a talent show there and simply recorded the jazz band playing on my phone. I figured I’d do something with that sound bite one day, and it became the intro to différemment. As for the second half of the track, I was in my bedroom and it didn’t really feel right. I found three piano chords, put down my phone and started playing and singing. I expressed what I was feeling in the song, and I loved the result. I thought it fitted in well with the jazz soundtrack and it’s one of my favorite tracks on the mixtape.

PAN M 360: After a project like BOÎTE DE PANDORE, what can we expect from you next?

NEIMO: I don’t want to get too far ahead of myself, but I think I’ve managed to find myself as an artist through the creation of this project. I feel I’ve come to a more complete and precise project than I’ve done before. I’m more true to myself, and I’ll always try to be more and more sincere in my lyrics. As time goes by, I’m growing up, experiencing new things and having more to say. I want to continue in the direction I’ve taken and see where it all leads. We can expect more collaborations in the future, that’s for sure.

Photo credit: Ludovic Rolland-Marcotte

On November 25, 2022 at La Sala Rossa, a new chamber music ensemble was born into Quebec’s musical constellation: 5ilience – pronounced “silience” – is the province’s first reed quintet. Initiated by saxophonist Thomas Gauthier-Lang, the ensemble’s founding members include Léanne Téran-Paul (oboe), Mariane Pellerin (clarinet), Gwénaëlle Ratouit (bass clarinet) and Maxime Hargous (bassoon). These five young emerging artists, trained in classes at the Conservatoire and Université de Montréal “[are] following in the footsteps of the very first reed quintet, the Calefax ensemble, born in 1985, by dedicating themselves to expanding the existing reed quintet repertoire through the development of new works by emerging and established composers.” After just a few months, the distinctive timbre of this unusual ensemble was heard at the Festival de Lanaudière, and will now be heard as part of the tenth edition of La Virée classique.

PAN M 360 sat down with two of the ensemble’s members, Thomas Gauthier-Lang, its artistic director, and Mariane Pellerin, to discuss the birth of the project and its short history.

PAN M 360: Hello to you both! Thank you for taking the time to talk to us. I’d like to start by asking Thomas how 5ilience came about, and Mariane, how did you come to work together on this ensemble project with the others?

Thomas Gauthier-Lang: For me, the 5ilience project was born during the pandemic. I’d just finished my master’s degree and returned from France, where I’d completed my second year. The pandemic was really a stopping point for me to think about what kind of music I wanted to make and with whom. As a saxophonist versed in contemporary music, I had specialized mainly in solo music, so during the pandemic, what I really missed was human contact, contact with people. At one point, I was surfing the web and found information on the first reed quintet, the Calefax ensemble. I knew a bit about the saxophonist, and after diving in and exploring this music, I really discovered a different genre and music that spoke to me a lot: music that always has an “edge”, that makes you ask questions and in front of which you can’t remain indifferent, and that is rooted in creative music. When it came to putting the idea into practice, I started talking to musicians I liked, like Mariane, whom I was lucky enough to meet at Domaine Forget one summer, and who was introduced to me by a friend she and I have in common.

Mariane Pellerin: We weren’t even doing the same internship at Le Domaine! We talked a little, but not that much. I’d just finished my master’s degree that summer, and I was thinking, “I’m going to think about my future later on”, and “You say yes to everything”, so this proposal was perfectly timed. What I particularly like about music is playing chamber music. Playing in an orchestra is fun, it’s all very well, but you really have fewer opportunities to be yourself and participate and change something in what you’re doing. I knew I wanted to do more chamber music, but I didn’t really know how, and when Thomas came to talk to me about the project, he already had a pretty precise plan of what he wanted to do. I already knew Léanne from my Conservatoire days with her, and Gwen from a non-musical background. We got on well together, so I thought “Let’s go!”

Thomas Gauthier-Lang: We’d never made music together, but on a human level, there was a kind of letting go, a letting go where things were really natural.

PAN M 360: The killer question: what does the word “silience” mean?

Thomas Gauthier-Lang: Haha, that was a lot of thought, spread over a year. A name is an image, but I think it’s also a philosophy. Sometimes, it’s neither, but for me, in the idea of making people think, the name was important. “Silience” is a word that comes from a dictionary of neologisms, John Kœnig’s Dictionary of Obscure Sorrows. He is interested in finding and creating new words to express abstract feelings and emotions, rather than summarizing them in sentences. “Silience” is an amalgam of “brilliance” and “silence”. For him, it refers to the art that’s all around us, but which we don’t realize is there and exists unless we take the time to stop and pay attention to it.

PAN M 360: So, it’s the state of mind that makes us aware of the invisible around us.

Thomas Gauthier-Lang: Exactly!

PAN M 360: As you mentioned, the repertoire includes a great deal of new music. Is it only the repertoire of new music that characterizes a reed quintet, given its unusual formation?

Thomas Gauthier-Lang: No, creative music is not the only niche. When Calefax was first created, there was no repertoire. The musicians in this ensemble did a lot of arranging. They soon realized that they shared a common interest in Baroque and medieval music, and so on. For medieval music in particular, the instrumentation wasn’t even determined, so it allows us to play with the different timbres of the modern instruments we have. Another example: last month at the Festival de Lanaudière, we played an arrangement by one of the Calefax musicians of the Chaconne from Bach’s second partita, based on Bussoni’s piano arrangement. It’s part of a long tradition of arranging.

In addition, this particular ensemble opens a call for works for male and female composers. They play these works in concert, and anything that comes out of these calls is then accessible to all reed quintets. So, they really have a mission to mediate and share the repertoire. It also influences what’s been done in the U.S. like Akropolis, which is a super-popular reed quintet that also publishes their own stuff and shares their music. These aren’t cells that don’t communicate with each other; the world’s reed quintet network talks to each other and interacts.

PAN M 360: Your formal existence is still fairly recent in terms of ensemble, and you’ve taken part in the Festival de Lanaudière, which is one of the biggest outdoor music festivals in North America, and now you’re taking part in the Virée classique, which is another major music event. For a young band and young musicians, some of whom I imagine are taking their first steps in the professional world, how does it feel to be able to take part in events of this magnitude?

Mariane Pellerin: It’s really nice. There’s an aspect where you can allow yourself to imagine things. Whether it’s international internships or major projects where we’d have said to each other, “We could do that later”, normally I’d have said, “We’ll see”. The fact of doing something concrete, of carrying out projects like this, helps us to see our ideas or future projects as accessible. It gives me security and a certain hope for the future.

Thomas Gauthier-Lang: There’s something very reassuring about thinking up a project on your own, thinking up a project with people to launch it into the universe, and then the universe seeing it and receiving it. What’s touched me the most when we get invited to events like this, is that they understand what 5ilience is all about and they understand what 5illience does for the world that hears us. I’ve always been confident in the nature of the project, but I never expected that after eight months of existence, we’d be invited to these two festivals. Often after concerts, people get very excited. They’ve never heard anything like it before, especially when you consider that these festivals are more classical repertoires. We arrive with a line-up and instruments they recognize and know, but with a language that’s a bit “crooked” and different. It takes them somewhere else, and a good somewhere else, I think. When we finish playing and we can physically see that something is happening in the audience, that we’ve succeeded in bringing something to life for someone, that’s the greatest gift.

PAN M 360: Can we have an overview of the repertoire you’ll be performing for Virée?

Thomas Gauthier-Lang: We’re painting a portrait of the history of the reed quintet, from how composition has developed around it over the years to the present day. There will be a new work by Simon Bourget (Danses galactiques), Refraction, by American composer David Biedenbender, which is like a flagship piece in the repertoire, new works by major ensembles, such as Splinter by Marc Mellits, Four Letter Word by Robbie McCarthy, as well as our own creations. We really go all over the place. It’s a festive, active, fast-paced program, both light and contemporary. We can’t wait to see how people react!

PAN M 360: What projects are you looking forward to with 5ilience in the coming months?

Thomas Gauthier-Lang: In the next few months, we’ll be welcoming our new bassoonist Alexandra Eastley, who will be joining us officially because our current bassoonist and founding member Maxime is returning to Europe to continue his studies. She’s Mary Chalk, who joined us for the Festival de Lanaudière and will also be with us for the Virée classique. We’ve got two albums coming out that we’ve played on, and with Code d’accès, we’ve got a large-scale, multidisciplinary concert with space design and video planned for spring 2024. It’s going to be something. We’re also looking to travel outside Quebec, take training courses, give concerts and so on. Also, along with 4 other artists/ensembles, 5ilience has been chosen to be part of Pôle de la Relève, a new mentoring program offered by Le Vivier to help young artists and ensembles grow and develop. I’m super excited and curious to see what comes out of it too.

PAN M 360: As the newest and youngest group to emerge on the Quebec chamber music scene, what would you say to young musicians who are just finishing up or who want to get started?

Mariane Pellerin: I find it strange and difficult to answer that because I feel that I myself am a young musician in need of advice! I’d say two things. I say it jokingly, but sometimes I say “Fake it till you make it”. Sometimes you’re not sure what you’re doing, but you’ve got to have confidence, even if you really feel like you’re messing up. Secondly, it’s about being yourself, believing in what you believe and following it. It’s about trusting your instincts.

Thomas Gauthier-Lang: I’d like to focus on three things, based on what I’ve experienced, what makes me feel good, and what I’m learning today. Firstly, I’d say look at who you’re “tripping” with, because that’s the world you’re going to want to make music with. For me, studying music or any field of art is about making connections and realizing who you’re having fun with. Secondly, not to be contradictory with Mariane, but for me, it’s been very reassuring to stop being someone I’m not. I’m a saxophonist, and for a long time I said to myself: “I’ve got to play blues, I’ve got to play bebop”. As much as I love that music, it’s not the language I resonate with most. When I stopped telling myself that the world expected me to do this as a saxophonist, I found enormous satisfaction in the kind of music I was making. In the end, if you do something you love, it’s bound to attract people. People will listen to you. Do something you like without necessarily pleasing other people. Those would be my points.

PAN M 360: Thank you both very much!

5ilience will perform on Sainte-Catherine street on August 18 at 7 pm and on August 19 at 7:30 pm. For more information, the full free programming can be found HERE.

Established upon the fundamental tenets of Diversity, Discovery, and Dissemination, the Ensemble Obiora is young and vibrant orchestra dedicated to adding new voices into the Canadian classical music circuit. We spoke with founder and artistic director Brandyn Lewis about their upcoming performance.

Ensemble Obiora will play at the Maison Symphonique on August 19th at 16h15

PAN M 360: Thanks for taking the time, Brandyn. You must be busy preparing for the La Virée classique show.  Has the ensemble played at the festival before?

Brandyn: Glad to be here. We played there last year, actually.

PAN M 360: And how old is the ensemble, in fact?

Brandyn:  Just over two years. We started up in the summer of 2021.

PAN M 360:  Wow, so during the pandemic?

Brandyn: Actually yes.

PAN M 360: That’s interesting. Perhaps you could tell us about that? 

Brandyn: Yeah, sure. It was kind of the height of the pandemic and of course performances had stopped, things were at a stand still. So at that time my partner and I started looking at ways to build communities and connect with different musicians of colour. Because we knew that we were out there, it’s just that we’re all so separate and spread across different cities like Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, and beyond.

I got in touch with some musicians I knew and we were discussing how we could really get this thing going. So we posted something on Facebook, describing our situation that we’re kind of starting out small and looking to form a concert in the summer of 2021. And, next thing you know, someone from the National Arts Centre reached out to us saying, like, hey we’re really pleased to hear of your mission here at the NAC, we have some leftover funds from our residency program, how can we help? That was amazing. It’s not a bad way to start out, you know. 

PAN M 360: So did the onus to form Obiora come from your personal experiences navigating the world of classical music as a person of colour? 

Brandyn: Well definitely, once I got more into higher education, I went to McGill myself, there were maybe literally five black people in the classical performance department at that time, and it felt like there were even less when I got into the profession. So we knew that this was a way for us to build something strong and. At the same time there are initiatives in the United States like Sphinx or in the UK with the Chineke! Orchestra that are doing the same sort of thing, and they have been for many years now. That got us thinking why doesn’t something like this exist in Canada, especially when we have so much diversity here? 

PAN M 360: So is Obiora one of the first ensembles in Canada to do this kind of thing?

Brandyn:  If we’re not the first I think we might at least be the first to do it on such a large scale.

PAN M 360:  Amazing. I was at the Parc Lafontaine concert, and I could see people really loving the repertoire. It was my first time getting to hear Joseph Bologne, and I’m surprised it took me so long. 

Brandyn: Hey, don’t feel too bad, because there are a lot of professional musicians who still don’t know him.

PAN M 360: That’s really crazy. But I noticed in your program for La Virée classique show, you’re playing some more Bologne material but also some Mozart and Grieg. They are not not exactly the most underrepresented composers out there. What was the logic there?

Brandyn: Well with the Lafontaine program, for the Camontoni series,  they required us to play pieces that we’ve already performed. And my effort as artistic director is to program pieces that people don’t really know of, but are simply amazing. And so that’s why a couple of weeks ago we had such a diverse package of music to present. This time around with the Virée Classique, you know, we have to negotiate with the OSM and kind of talk about the repertoire choices and this year the theme of the festival is histoire partagée. It’s a little vague but Bologne and Mozart were contemporaries. They lived at the same time, and were both violinists. And I was even doing some research and they lived in the same house in Paris in like 1778. 

About that Grieg piece in particular, it’s called the Holberg Suite after this intellectual named Ludwig Holberg. And the music itself is a nod to the Baroque Suite, like dance suites. So you have the Sarabande, Gavotte, Rigaudon, and things like that. You can kind of see how Grieg and a lot of composers in the romantic era and even the twentieth century were looking at the past and using elements of that music in a more modern context, that’s the shared history there. 

PAN M 360: So would you say the classical world is generally receptive to work Obiora is doing? I like to think in 2023 attitudes have changed for the better. 

Brandyn: Definitely but there can be a bit of a mixed response. I’ve noticed that the older generation tends to be more set in their ways. They kind of know what they like to listen to. And sometimes when I explain the mission of Obiora and the music that we perform, it seems to be such a shock to them in a way, because they’ve never had to question their place in society and culture. But when we do explain, they’re like, oh wow, this makes a lot of sense. And also when they listen to the music that we propose I can see the excitement and joy you get when you’re listening to something amazing for the first time. Seeing those reactions are really worth it for me, because we’re seeing things shift and change.

I think that even the younger generation that maybe isn’t as initiated to classical music wants to hear something different, you know? Because we obviously know that composers like Mozart, Beethoven and the like have dominated the classical music industry for the last 200 years, right? So I think that audiences are ready to hear different voices and to learn, you know, and it shows like just with the Parc Lafontaine concert, there were about 1,500 people in attendance. At the end of the day, we’re all there to play music, right? And so it shouldn’t matter what one skin colour is but with Obiora  we have this amazing energy together and we just understand each other in a different way because of what we’ve been through. 

PAN M 360: And so what’s in store for the future of the ensemble? You must have some exciting plans. 

Brandyn: Well starting in October, we are launching our official season. Up until now we’ve just been doing little projects here and there but now we will have four concerts coming up of our own.

So October 14th, we have our opening night with the Venezuelan conductor, Glass Marcano, who has been making waves in Europe already. November 25th, we have a chamber music concert called Dancer on the World. For that one, the program touches on various dances that we find in various cultures around the world. The third one is on February 17th and that one’s called Influences with the guest conductor Daniel Bartholomew Poiser who is really well known in the scene here in Canada, has worked with the Toronto Symphony, the National Arts Centre Orchestra, and I think also Symphony Nova Scotia. He is really amazing, an amazing guy and conductor. And our last concert is with Dinuk Wijeratne who is a contemporary composer and pianist who writes amazing music. He won a Juno in 2016 and we’re really fortunate to have him close our season. In between all of that we’re going to continue the series of concerts we did at Parc Lafontaine in the various Maisons de la culture in Montreal.

PAN M 360: As a young orchestra, I suppose you want to kind of make your presence felt. 

Brandyn: Yeah, that’s it. We’ve been trying to gain visibility through different collaborations and really just connecting with the communities directly because we do have to grow our audiences. It’s really a strategy of seeing where our target audience is around Montreal and trying to make classical music a safe space for marginalised communities to come in and appreciate beautiful music.

A particularly festive atmosphere will enliven the Esplanade Tranquille this Saturday during the Virée classique. Oktopus, an octet combining Eastern European and classical music, will take the stage to offer a new perspective on a number of works from the repertoire. Brahms, Liszt, Mahler, Bartok and Enesco will be drawn into the dance, and the folk roots of their music will be brought to the spotlight.

The result of in-depth research and a passion for klezmer music, Oktopus offers a show accessible to all, sometimes festive, sometimes melancholy, but always optimistic and vibrant. A reflection of the city’s diversity, Oktopus stands at the crossroads of many fascinating musical traditions. PAN M 360 had the chance to speak with Gabriel Paquin-Buki, arranger, composer and clarinettist for Oktopus.

PAN M 360: Hello Gabriel! So, to begin with, Oktopus formed in 2010 and has since made a name for itself on the world music scene in Quebec, Canada and internationally. What is the essence of the music of this ensemble, whose influences sometimes seem to be at odds with one another? What is the guiding principle?

GABRIEL PAQUIN-BUKI: Yes, the music we base ourselves on first and foremost is certainly klezmer music, in other words, the music of the Ashkenazi Jews of Eastern Europe. On the other hand, as some people have already done, such as Itzhak Perlman before us, we take a slightly more classical approach to this music. In fact, it wasn’t even a choice, since the musicians in the ensemble were classical musicians. We’re not basically folk musicians. It’s not a tradition that was shared with us or passed on orally by our parents. We went back to klezmer music in its folk roots, but also to Eastern European music in general, especially at times when folk music was closer to classical music, in the late Romantic period in particular.

PAN M 360: You’re musicians with a classical background, not a folk background. So, why do you do klezmer music, which is not your basic musical background?

GABRIEL PAQUIN-BUKI: Initially, when we started out as university students, it was just a form of music that particularly appealed to us. I suggested it to the others because it’s music I’d listened to since I was very young, music that had rocked my childhood. And when I went to see Klezmer music shows, I literally vibrated. So I wanted to perform it myself. That’s what it’s all about. It’s a music that came to us in a particular way, that we wanted to interpret and to which we wanted to add our grain of salt.

It’s music that’s very, very accessible. There’s folk music that’s just as good but requires perhaps a little more effort to understand or appreciate. Klezmer music is very, very accessible. There are certain elements that are shared with everyday music. I think it’s music that also knows how to touch people’s hearts. It’s a very old music. That may explain its popularity.

PAN M 360: The Klezmer musical tradition seems to be deeply rooted in an atmosphere of festivity and celebration. Is this really the case? Is there a contrast between the message and the music perceived by less familiar ears?

GABRIEL PAQUIN-BUKI: Yes, it’s true that this music has developed enormously in the context of weddings. So there’s an undeniable festive side to it. However, not all wedding music was festive. There are moments in the more religious tradition, for example, when a woman was told that she was losing her maiden status and that with marriage came all the obligations and all the trimmings, which is a more introspective moment of marriage. So there’s a whole slower, more melancholy side to klezmer music, with slower dances.

It’s also a music that bears witness to the history of the Jewish people. It’s a people who have been enormously persecuted. So their music can’t just be festive. Often, the joyful, festive aspect comes at the end. In other words, no matter what the tragedy, no matter what the misfortune, no matter what the persecution, no one is going to take away the possibility of celebrating, of getting together, of dancing. So, it always ends up a bit festive, but as you mentioned, that’s often just what we’ve kept. It’s become a bit of a cliché of music, sometimes, even circus music, whereas there’s a huge repertoire, a huge part of that culture that’s much more introspective and darker, slower.

PAN M 360: There’s a perpetual tension between so-called scholarly music and folk music. We’re generally used to hearing and talking about what classical composers have borrowed from folklore, but Oktopus seems to be doing the opposite. Is the process similar or fundamentally different? Are we talking about inspiration, influence, parody, emulation, hybridization?

GABRIEL PAQUIN-BUKI: There are a lot of composers who are inspired by folk music, taking only certain elements from it. Sometimes it’s just a melody, or maybe a certain accompaniment that gives their work a bit of liveliness. But in fact, folk music has many defining elements. Rhythm, melody, ornamentation, improvisation. You can’t really separate them. With Oktopus, what we’re trying to do is to rediscover some of that folk essence that lies at the heart of classical works. This is the case, for example, with one of the works we play, Enesco’s Romanian Rhapsody. In fact, Enesco composed almost nothing. He orchestrated a lot, but it’s all folk tunes. But to build up his orchestral work, he had no choice but to abandon ornamentation and improvisation, because there are so many musicians playing together, led by a conductor. You can’t just start improvising as you please. Basically, with Oktopus, we’re going to look for those folk traditions that inspired the composers, but bring back what they were obliged to leave out, i.e. ornamentation, improvisation and certain rhythms too, which are sometimes irregular.

Dance is intimately linked to folk music. For us, it’s an element we explore less because we don’t play in a dance context, and we don’t have a dancer with us, but once again it’s two things that were intimately linked to folk music. We were almost always there to accompany dancers. But just knowing that has its impact. Singing, too. Precisely, in our Enesco rhapsody on the album, we recovered the Romanian chant that was originally associated with Enesco’s theme.

PAN M 360: La Virée classique has incorporated a “World” component for some years now, and this year seems to place even greater emphasis on mixing music from different origins. Do you think these mixtures will become more and more frequent, or will concert audiences still seek some form of partition between Western and non-Western music?

GABRIEL PAQUIN-BUKI: I have the impression that it’s going to become more and more frequent, because it’s really in the spirit of the times, but it’s also so much more representative of the metropolis that is Montreal, the hub where so many cultures rub shoulders. It’s also an unhoped-for opportunity to give different stages and musical contexts to so-called world music, to mixed music, because there’s a bit of a cliché where the Maison Symphonique is reserved for classical music and the Bar à Jojo is devoted to folk music. I’m exaggerating a little, but in the OSM’s last season, an Iranian ensemble came to present a few works on the Maison Symphonique stage, and it was absolutely incredible. Above all, it helps people understand that there is classical music from many other traditions. Sometimes, folklore is also a perfectly legitimate tradition taught in conservatories. I think it’s time for this kind of music to find its way into classical programming. I also think it’s very entertaining for the public. I have the impression that projects like Oktopus are going to delight certain classical programmers who want to get off the beaten track a bit, with the usual string quartets and piano sonatas.

PAN M 360: Your concert at the Quiet Esplanade features different arrangements of Romantic composers (Brahms, Liszt, Mahler) as well as Bartók, who made extensive use of folk music in his works. What’s special about his arrangements? How can we give them a new “Oktopus”-style dress? What can we expect when we go to the concert?

GABRIEL PAQUIN-BUKI: There are two approaches. One is more serious. Let me take the Enesco example again. In that case, it was really a matter of finding all the themes that inspired the composer, finding the folk version and then incorporating these folk elements into the arrangement. For example, the rhapsody ends with a theme called “Ciocârlia”, which means lark in Romanian. In the original version, the solo violin does a bird solo. All he has to do is imitate a bird with his violin. We brought that back. Of course, in the orchestra, we’d imagine a little less of that. Really, what we did was to work a little more methodologically, to see each of the themes, where they came from, then how we could incorporate them into Enesco’s work, and then create something that really straddled the line between his orchestration and the original themes. The other approach is a little more superficial. If it’s a work you really like, you want to give it a completely different personality. It’s less musicological, I mean, but simply, if you took an eighth note out of that theme, it would be really great. In Bartók, for example, there’s a passage where you just turn a 4-4 into a 7-8. Irregular rhythms are characteristic of Eastern European music and much less so in Western music, but it’s not something we went to Romania to check out. We sometimes like to bring these rhythms back.

We have an arrangement by Francis Pigeon of Saint-Saëns’s Bacchanale, which is a very good example of Orientalism. Saint-Saëns really fell in love with this scale, which is found all over the world, but very rarely in classical music. Some call it the Jewish scale, others call it “Hijaz”. For him, it was based on a mode, an Arabic maqam. We used that mode and then amplified it by showing how it was used in the various types of music of the Maghreb and Eastern Europe. This brings out the orientalist side that Saint-Saëns wanted to give to the work. So it depends on the work. As I say, sometimes there’s a pretty serious work behind it, and then sometimes you want to do it in a crazy way, and then you find the best way to do it.

PAN M 360: Did Oktopus carry out any musicological or ethnomusicological research to ensure the authenticity of its music?

GABRIEL PAQUIN-BUKI: The group did its homework in the sense that we went out to meet folk musicians and then worked on the ornament and style because sometimes you get the impression that you’re just interpreting other people’s music without any real work. A lot of people do, and that’s okay too, but in Klezmer music camps, courses, master classes, etc., we’ve worked to ensure that despite their classical training, musicians still have a solid folk base.

PAN M 360: What is your objective for this concert? Get people moving? Demonstrate the versatility of Klezmer music? Present the “classics” in a new light?

GABRIEL PAQUIN-BUKI: Certainly, people are experiencing a moment beyond their expectations. I would say to perhaps open up the vision of folk music in classical music, to see that the boundaries are not so watertight and that, in fact, classical music is built on so many elements from popular music, from folklore. There are some really special moments that can happen in our shows. One time, we were performing at a Balkan Party at Le Cercle, in Quebec City, and there was a mosh pit while we performed a Romanian dance by Bartók, la rapide. We’re very proud of that, to have had a mosh pit to Bartók. So we’re really open to any reaction from the audience.

Oktopus will perform at the Esplanade Tranquille on Saturday, August 19 at 1:30 pm, and at 7 pm. For more information, the complete free programming can be found HERE.

Katerine Verebely is a host and cultural journalist at Radio-Canada. She is known for her talent in communicating musical and literary works, as well as for her cultural suggestions that blend all types of art. She has hosted several listening clubs at the OSM, which take place before concerts and serve as an introduction to the evening.

As part of the Virée classique, Katerine Verebely will be hosting listening clubs combining music and literature, as well as organizing musical quizzes. Enriching discussions, fueled by curiosity and passion, are sure to be the order of the day for this 10th edition of Montreal’s great celebration of classical music. This year’s events are also varied, and the program promises to be of interest to everyone.

Just a few days before the festivities begin, PAN M 360 had the great pleasure of talking to Katerine Verebely about music, literature, multidisciplinarity, listening clubs and the Virée classique.

PAN M 360: Hello Katerine! Your career has taken you on a journey through the arts, music and literature. Where does this passion for culture come from?

KATERINE VEREBELY: I am first and foremost a classically trained musician. The wonderful thing about classical music is that it makes you interested in so many things. If you play a concerto, you’re going to go and read about the composer, the period… Often, classical musicians are also history buffs, so there’s often this link to be made. When I was hired at Radio-Canada, I think it was recognized that classical musicians are basically jacks-of-all-trades, curious people. We read books, we go to the theater, we’re interested in dance, ballet, opera… Because that’s what classical music is all about.

So, when I started out, I already had this interest in different art forms. I think that, and I say this with humility, is what makes me a good generalist. In any case, I come from that school.

PAN M 360: What inspires you to make connections between works, both literary and musical? Is there a particular element that guides your thinking, or is it something more spontaneous?

KATERINE VEREBELY: On the radio, when you want to explain something or tell a story, the more levers you have, the easier it is. Personally, I like to make as many links as possible to interest as many people as possible. I’ll make links to politics, the weather, even hockey! The idea is often to evoke images on the radio. All very, very quickly.

PAN M 360: What about music, in particular?

KATERINE VEREBELY: When it comes to music, it’s all about listening. The works are filled with so many different things. You can listen to classical music without knowing all the things behind it, and then discover that it comes from a play, a novel, a poem and so on. In fact, I try to give you keys to explore a work.

PAN M 360: So you could call it a process of cultivating curiosity in people?

KATERINE VEREBELY: Yes, and at the same time, I want to make people realize that they know a lot more than they think they do. Sometimes, you don’t realize it, but someone reminds you of a story and you think “Oh yes, I knew that! I read that when I was at school!” or “Ah yes, I saw a film about that!” A work of art is not a flower on a desert island. It’s always surrounded by other things.

Basically, when you do the job I’m doing, you try to interest people by showing them that there are several levels of listening, several layers of understanding. You can appreciate a work without any prior knowledge. Then I’ll tell you a story, and you’ll never see the work as you did before. For example, I once did a listening club on Berlioz’s Symphonie fantastique. You can listen to the symphony without knowing the love story behind it. You can listen to and enjoy the work all your life without knowing the story. Then, one day, that story is told to you, and you hear new things. For me, it’s magic, really.

PAN M 360: So, you can rediscover a work several times in the course of your life.

KATERINE VEREBELY: Absolutely! One of the examples I’ll be giving in my listening clubs this week is the idea that you can listen to a piece of music all your life without knowing the whole story. What I like is that the people who come to the listening clubs are very curious people, they want to learn more. What I love about listening clubs is that the level of listening is extraordinary. People are curious, we chat, we bounce ideas off each other. I ask them what the music makes them think of, and there are no wrong answer. The discussions are so rich, there’s always something to add.

PAN M 360: Speaking of listening clubs, what will be the format of the ones you’ll be hosting as part of Virée classique?

KATERINE VEREBELY: I host two types of events at the Virée classique: three listening clubs and two musical quizzes. The quizzes are a new formula, it’s the first time I’ve done this with the OSM. They’re really open-ended questions, for fun. I created the questions, which have nothing to do with literature.

Secondly, the listening club is a formula that has already existed at the OSM for some time. If I remember correctly, we started last year. Usually, listening clubs are linked to the theme of the concert presented by the OSM. In this context, the way I see these listening clubs is really to have the luxury of time, the luxury of having 45 minutes to dig into a subject while listening to good music. I come with my game plan, but I don’t want it to be just me giving a presentation either. So I plan questions and topics for discussion. We’re in the Espace OSM, which is a really friendly place, and people are close to me. For someone who does radio, it’s great to have the time to dig into a subject for 45 minutes. It’s really a great gift.

PAN M 360: However, in the context of Virée classique, the subject of listening clubs is freer. What theme have you chosen?

KATERINE VEREBELY: All three listening clubs will have the same topic. They’re about the links between music and literature, because the OSM has been interested in this angle for some years now. There are a number of works of a literary nature or with a connection to literature, or words in the broader sense. We’ve taken this theme and explored it. I’d say it was probably the most difficult listening club to prepare, even if it was a happy process. That’s because it’s a subject that never ends. The links you can make between music and words are infinite. I had to make some difficult choices.

PAN M 360: The programming of Virée classique shows a desire to offer multidisciplinary events. Do you feel there’s a growing interest in this multidisciplinarity?

KATERINE VEREBELY: Yes and no, I’d say so. No, because it’s something that’s already been anchored at the OSM for several years. It began with Kent Nagano, who started by involving Fred Pellerin, for example. When I first met Rafael Payare, he immediately told me about it. In Latin America, for example, it’s nothing new.

The cultural columnist, on the other hand, says yes, absolutely. You can feel that it inspires the creators of our time, and that there’s a general interest in it. There’s something there, I think, that’s very much of our time. It also allows us to explore and present works in a different way. I think that the OSM in particular always does this with great skill and respect for the work and its creator. It’s a lot of fun.

The listening clubs hosted by Katerine Verebely will take place on August 18 at 6:15 pm, on August 19 at 5 pm and on August 20 at noon. Music quizzes will take place on August 19 at 3:15 pm and August 20 at 10:30 am. All these events will take place at the Espace OSM, at the Place des Arts. For the complete free program, click HERE.

Photo credit: Laurence Labat

Founded in 2001, Oktoecho is an ensemble whose sounds are as diverse as its musicians and collaborators. It combines music from the Middle East, the West, Canada’s Indigenous Peoples, and much more. Under the artistic direction of Katia Makdissi-Warren, Oktoecho works to preserve and present these deep and rich musical traditions to its audiences. Through the bridges it builds, Oktoecho brings us closer, step by step, to our roots, to the Earth, and to our humanity.

Mémoires du Monde brings together Indigenous Peoples’ music and Western classical traditions. A tribute to the women who have preserved and nurtured Inuit musical and cultural traditions, despite being banned for many years, this concert is a wonderful opportunity for encounters, exchanges and reconnecting with others.

PAN M 360 had the chance to chat on the phone with Katia Makdissi-Warren ahead of Oktoecho’s appearance at Virée Classique this Friday, August 18 at 7:30 pm.

PAN M 360: Hello Katia. Oktoecho covers a wide range of musical genres: Middle Eastern music, Arabic music, Indigenous Peoples music, Western music, or, as you say on your website, a blend of influences. How would you define Oktoecho’s music?

KATIA MAKDISSI-WARREN: It’s an encounter. It doesn’t matter, even when you know someone, you meet them. I see encounters between music and culture-bearers. I don’t always know what people mean by métissage, but for me, it’s a notion that varies over time. What is métissage today may not be tomorrow. But for me, the encounter is always present.

PAN M 360: So, encounters between different cultures, musicians and music?

KATIA MAKDISSI-WARREN: Yes, it’s about different cultures coming together, but not necessarily the same ones. It’s very much based on the Middle East, Arab music and music from the Maghreb. And indigenous music. That’s something we developed a little later in 2009. Obviously, as I also have a “classical” background, there’s also the influence of Western classical music.

PAN M 360: Is there also a form of classical, let’s say, in the sense of world music? Because, in fact, the concept of “classical” changes a lot elsewhere in the world. Classical is not necessarily classical music as we understand it here.

KATIA MAKDISSI-WARREN: Yes, there’s Arabic classical music, there’s Turkish classical music too. These are forms that have existed since the 18th century and continue today. Yes, I draw my inspiration from these types of music. And not just me, because there are other composers with me now. But it’s also an encounter with different musical backgrounds. On the whole, there are people who come from jazz music. Some come from contemporary music. And it’s the same with the Middle East because there’s as much music in the Middle East as there is in the West. It depends on the projects and the funds. We’re more likely to focus on a particular type of music, as in Trancestral, which is more Sufism, on the Eastern side. On the Indigenous Peoples side, there are six nations represented. But we have one piece, for example, which is more Gnaoua, from Morocco, which we don’t necessarily consider classical music either. Each project brings a focus to a particular musical part of each of these kinds of music.

PAN M 360: The ensemble has been in existence since 2001, with a membership and styles that have changed over time. What things have changed, or what constants have remained true since the beginning? You mentioned encounters. Is there anything else you consider to have been at the heart of Oktoecho’s mission from the outset?

KATIA MAKDISSI-WARREN: Music is really about meeting others. That’s what it’s all about. And sharing with the audience. We try to unite our differences on stage, and it’s really with the audience that we do that. After that, it becomes an exchange with them. At first, of course, it was more Middle Eastern and Western music, because my mother is Lebanese. It was really my two cultures. That’s why I founded Oktoecho in the first place. To bring together Middle Eastern and Western music. But I’d had my heart set on indigenous music ever since I was a little girl. It took a while to get into this aspect. First of all, it was an encounter, a way of thinking that’s different from that between Eastern and Western music. Sometimes, musical ways of thinking, or how to think about music, are different. With the musicians, it was a question of taking the time to get used to it, understand it and feel at ease. Once we felt comfortable between the Middle East and the West, we added the indigenous component. Which isn’t my culture, to begin with. That’s why I waited. Our collaborators have been with us from the start. One of them is Lydia Etok, who is the co-artistic director of the indigenous section, and who is a throat singer.

PAN M 360: As you say, the idea came about because you’ve always had a fascination for this music. Indigenous Peoples’ music has been on the rise for some time now. We’re trying to present it more, to present it better. Do you think it deserves a greater place on the Quebec and Canadian music scene?

KATIA MAKDISSI-WARREN: Well, it’s already started. It’s already started, because when we started working with them in 2009, we had to fight. There was very little interest, unfortunately. I say unfortunately, but it was really just because it wasn’t well known. It’s incredibly rich. So I think it’s only natural that it’s starting to become better known, and I mean it was wrong that it wasn’t known. It’s music that has incredible depth, even when it’s in the game. Because for Inuit throat singing, it’s a game. There’s a depth, a simplicity, an incredible human depth. It’s a lesson for the whole world, the whole planet. Because there’s a way of approaching music that reconnects us with who we are, who the other is, and who the Earth is, and that’s an incredible richness. You can feel it and hear it in the music. For me, it’s a lesson every time.

PAN M 360: In recent years, Oktoecho has been honoured with several nominations and awards, including the Prix Opus and the ADISQ. How do you feel about this new popularity, this recognition from the public and institutions? Do you see any changes that have led to this?

KATIA MAKDISSI-WARREN: Yes, we can really feel the interest now. We can see now how people are happy to hear about it and are curious. Even the artists with me, like for the Saimaniq project, which is based on the Inuit throat field, obviously with Arabic components in the rhythms and all that. It’s a project we started in 2010, and the first shows were in 2012. Whether it’s the awards, I’m very happy for the Indigenous communities, really, I’m incredibly happy for them and for everyone else because it brings so much to the table.

It’s one of Canada’s great assets. A country that has the most languages spoken because of the indigenous languages. I think there are 77 languages spoken in Canada. I’m just waiting for schools to teach students an indigenous language, the language of their territory. That’s my dream. That every elementary school learns at least a few phrases and a few ways of thinking in the languages of the Indigenous territory where they live.

PAN M 360: La Virée classique has a fairly diverse musical offering, with an emphasis on concert music that isn’t necessarily Western or traditional. How do you see the relationship between the music of ensembles like Oktoecho and that traditionally played in more “classical” concerts?

KATIA MAKDISSI-WARREN: I’m delighted that all classical music ensembles are open to diversity in the broadest sense. I’m talking about both Western and ethnic diversity. Within diversity, even here in Quebec, there are people from all over the world, from different cultures, even within Western cultures, whether it’s jazz, contemporary music, etc. I’m delighted when classical music ensembles open up to all kinds of diversity. Personally, I’m delighted when organizations open up to diversity because it creates a decompartmentalization that creates richness.

For me, that’s important. It’s also very important that there are still very classical programs. Very, very, very important because they’re the guardians of tradition. It’s necessary. The more we crossbreed, the more important the guardians of tradition are to me. These two poles are crucial. I don’t want everything to become diverse, because I don’t think that would necessarily be a good thing either, because you have to know where you come from. We have to keep our traditions. On the other hand, I think that, in addition to keeping our tradition as a fundamental pillar, it’s important to be aware of all the art forms that human beings can create, because that opens the door to all the emotions we have inside us that we might not otherwise know about. For me, it’s like an important emotional biodiversity.

PAN M 360: Mémoires du monde is the title of the concert we’ll be playing on Friday night. What can you tell us about the concert and what to expect? What is the guideline or idea behind the project?

KATIA MAKDISSI-WARREN: The classical world opens its doors to us. We’re also taking a step towards them. It’s with a string orchestra. So, classical musicians, plus Oktoecho artists and soloists. Among the soloists, there’s Binnaz Celik, who plays the kamancheh, who’s from Turkey, but passing through here in Montreal, and Didem Başar, who’s going to play with us, the kanun. There’s even a double concerto written for both instruments. I wrote the first movement, and Didem wrote the second, especially for them. There are also two Middle Eastern percussionists in the ensemble. There’s a pianist too. And there are the two throat singers. They’re going to have their piece with the string orchestra. There are also two other pieces where everyone plays together. It’s really like creating bridges with a more classical, more written world, closer to what you’d usually get in a Western classical concert.

We did a project like that in 2008 or 2009 called Éponyme. We’ll also be looking for two compositions from that period. It’s really more of a mix. As I was saying, with each project, there’s a part that stands out. We put the magnifying glass on a particular cultural feature. But this time, it’s really Western classical music. That’s what we’re going to focus on. With Turkish music too. There’s also a piece inspired by Andalusian music. Anthony Rozankovic wrote the piece Andalous Shoes.

PAN M 360: Different cultures often have very different ways of keeping alive the memory of the past and the origins of the world. What memories are we talking about in this concert?

KATIA MAKDISSI-WARREN: Memories of the world. The title comes from a piece called Mémoires, in which we pay tribute to the Inuit singers who have kept the tradition alive despite its prohibition. This piece is one of the works presented. I’ve been told it’s a beautiful title. It’s evocative of keeping memories alive. Never mind diversity. No matter what. It’s about keeping alive the memory of all our ancestors who passed on so many different kinds of music. I hope it’s like biodiversity. I hope we can preserve all this music, share it and pass it on.

Oktoecho will present the concert Mémoires du monde on Friday, August 18 at 19:30 at the Théâtre Maisonneuve. INFO AND TICKETS HERE.

Photo credit: Benoit Rousseau

Before the release of his hit Flowers Need Rain last year, Preston Pablo was barely unknown on the music scene. Since then, the 21-year-old Northern Ontario native has released several excellent singles and become one of Canada’s most promising young artists. While at Osheaga, the young pop artist spoke to PAN M 360 about his latest releases, his love of Montreal, his relationship with Montreal producers Banx & Ranx and his next projects!

Born in the small town of Timmins, Ontario, the Canadian fell in love with music at a young age, watching his brother create with friends. After many hours of watching him, Preston Pablo began writing and recording his own material. In 2021, Montreal producers, songwriters, and remixers Banx & Ranx spotted the young man and decided to sign him to their label, 31 East. Less than a year later, the three men joined forces for Flowers Need Rain, his most popular track to date.

In early August, the artist collaborated with Indian artist Karan Aujla and Canadian producer Ikky on the track Admirin’ You. Since its release, the track has performed extremely well in India, and has remained at the top of the country’s charts. Preston Pablo’s most recent solo release dates back to May 12, when he unveiled For Keeps, a song that straddles the border between pop and R&B and is getting a lot of radio plays in Quebec. The Canadian continues to rack up the hits and is proving more and more that he has what it takes to shine internationally.

PAN M 360: Hello Preston Pablo! How did your performance go? 

PRESTON PABLO: It went very well, I had a lot of fun. I enjoyed it immensely, and it was the perfect way to get my first taste of the Osheaga experience! 

PAN M 360: During your performance, you covered Justin Bieber’s famous song Sorry. Is this an artist who inspires you? Do you do this cover at every concert?

PRESTON PABLO: Certainly, he’s one of my favourite artists. I remember the first time I saw him on TV. I was young and I thought he was really good. I loved his style and the way he looked in front of the camera. He was fascinating to me. I’ve always been a fan of his music. This is the first time I’ve done this cover on stage. My team and I decided to do it for people who don’t necessarily know my music. So there was at least one song that everyone could feel comfortable singing and dancing to. It was a beautiful moment. 

PAN M 360: Let’s talk about your latest release, the track For Keeps. How did this track come about? 

PRESTON PABLO: It all started in Toronto when I was in the studio with producers and writers Sean Fisher & Nathan Ferraro. It was the first time we’d met and we created the basis for the song. For a while, we didn’t touch the song until we tweaked it and added several elements. The track really came to life when the producers Banx & Ranx heard it and decided to add their two cents. After that, we decided to unveil it, and we’re really happy with the result. 

PAN M 360: By the way, you’re part of 31 East, the record label of Quebec’s Banx & Ranx. Tell me about your relationship with them and their importance in your career. 

PRESTON PABLO: My relationship with them is superb, they’re like brothers to me. They were the first to give me the chance to succeed. Two or three years ago, they brought me to Montreal, and that’s when it all started. Right from the start, they believed in me and supported me. I feel very lucky to be able to collaborate with them and to be part of their musical family. 

PAN M 360: In a previous interview with PAN M 360, Banx & Ranx told us that you come to Montreal very often. What’s your relationship with the city? 

PRESTON PABLO: I think it would be easier to name the things I don’t like because I love absolutely everything about Montreal. The city is beautiful and I love the architecture. I love the vibe. The people here are very creative and there’s something very special about Montreal. It seems that people are always happier than elsewhere. It’s always positive here and I love being here to create. 

PAN M 360: Are you planning to move here soon? 

PRESTON PABLO: Certainly, I’d like to stay here for the rest of my life. Montreal is my second home. When Banx & Ranx brought me here, it was the first time I’d written music outside my bedroom. The city will always be very special to me. It’s very different from Timmins, my hometown in Ontario. 

PAN M 360: Let’s go back to your childhood in Timmins, Ontario. How did your passion for music begin?

PRESTON PABLO: My parents love music and I grew up with it. Also, my older brother is an artist. So he taught me to play guitar and drums. He started writing and recording music with his friends, and I was immediately fascinated by creating music. I learned by watching them, and then decided to create my own music!

PAN M 360: Earlier this month, you collaborated with Indian artist Karan Aujla and Canadian producer Ikky on the track Admirin’ You. The track is currently number 5 on the Top 100 in India, and it’s doing very well. Tell me more about this song? 

PRESTON PABLO: First of all, I’m really glad you asked me about it, because it’s one of my favorite songs I’ve ever been involved with in my career. Right now, my colleague Ikki, a Canadian & Punjabi producer, is creating an album with Karan Aujla. It’s thanks to him that this collaboration was born, it’s as simple as that. I’m very happy that it all came together. I’m proud to appear on a Punjabi track, because I love this culture. This track means a lot to me.

PAN M 360: Does this collaboration open up a whole new musical world for you? 

PRESTON PABLO: Definitely. I’ve met a lot of very talented Punjabi artists and I’d like to collaborate with them in the future. No doubt there will be more songs like this.

PAN M 360: Over the past year, you’ve released a number of excellent titles, including For Keeps, Love You Bad and, of course, Flowers Need Rain. Do you have any plans for your first project in the next few months? 

PRESTON PABLO: I’m currently working on a small project. Lately, I’ve been creating a lot of R&B music. It’s a bit of a homecoming for me because my musical roots are R&B. I’m still in the early stages of the process and can’t reveal much more than that. All I can say is that you can expect different music from me. In short, I’m going to start with an EP and a full project will come in time. As an artist, I’m not ready to create an album yet. I feel I need to perfect my art and become more comfortable with what I’m creating before I can embark on such a large-scale project. I’m sure that’ll happen when I’m ready. 

PAN M 360: You’re obviously not ready to make an album, but if you were to do it now, do you have any idea what the main theme would be?

PRESTON PABLO: I’d like to make an album in which I tell my story. I’d like to explain my life in Timmins and how I got to where I am today. There are so many incredible things that have happened in a short space of time in my life, and I want to tell them. I think it would be really cool to do that, to tell the Preston Pablo story in my first feature-length project. That would be my goal.

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