{"id":27750,"date":"2020-09-11T11:09:29","date_gmt":"2020-09-11T15:09:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/panm360.com\/interviews-panm360\/vigliensoni-clastique-fantastique\/"},"modified":"2020-09-11T11:15:40","modified_gmt":"2020-09-11T15:15:40","slug":"vigliensoni-clastique-fantastique","status":"publish","type":"interviews","link":"https:\/\/panm360.com\/en\/interviews-panm360\/vigliensoni-clastique-fantastique\/","title":{"rendered":"Vigliensoni: Clastic fantastic"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>Photo: Manuela Martelli<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Based in Montreal but originally from Valparaiso, Chile, Gabriel Vigliensoni enjoyed some success in his native country in the late \u201990s with the alternative band Lucybell, and then the electro-acoustic band Mismos. This former student at the Santiago Conservatory began his solo career with <em>Nata<\/em> in 2004, an album on which he experimented with techno and breakbeat. He also explored vocal-oriented songs on <em>The Animal Kingdom<\/em> in 2014, and blended krautrock and electronic music with <em>Jaguar<\/em> the following year. With a PhD in music technology from McGill University, Vigliensoni has pursued in-depth studies of the design of new music interfaces and music recommendation algorithms.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For his appearance at MUTEK this year, Vigliensoni presents the premiere of <em>Clastic Music<\/em>, a largely improvised performance for which he teamed up with fellow Chilean Eduardo P\u00e9rez Infante to create a web application that allows the audience to modify the visual component of the show as they wish. PAN M 360 spoke with the musician, artist and researcher to discover the meaning of his unique approach.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/panm360.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/Entrevue-VIGLIENSONI-1109_BRUNODESTOMBES-1024x491.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-27715\"\/><figcaption><em>(Photo: Bruno Destombes)<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>PAN M 360: <\/strong>Reading your press kit, we learn that you\u2019ve touched on all kinds of music before coming to the <em>Clastic Music<\/em> project. Can you briefly retrace your career for us?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Vigliensoni:<\/strong> I come from Chile. I started there. I participated in a few bands, doing mostly rock and pop. I was playing keyboards. Some of these bands were popular, in a way. We worked with EMI, Warner, and others, and eventually I started liking more electronic music, stuff like Autechre, Aphex Twin\u2026 Then I started working with some friends making electronic music, but mostly with instruments like vibraphone, stick bass, double bass, and things like that. But I\u2019ve also been playing always with synthesizers and drum machines. I did a path from playing with physical instruments to computers, and then I went back to more physical instruments because I don\u2019t like to just stand there playing with my computer and a mouse. I like to embody music.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>PAN M 360<\/strong>: Your new project is called <em>Clastic Music<\/em>, what\u2019s it about?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Vigliensoni:<\/strong> \u201cClastic\u201d is a geological term in which different layers of rock and sediment make something new. The analogy for music is that I am building from other musicians&#8217; work to create my own. I\u2019m actually learning the intrinsic features of rhythms in order to create a machine-learning model, an AI model which I play with. So for MUTEK, I will play just unreleased material and it will be very improvised in a way.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Vigliensoni Live - MUTEK 2018\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/q8yC1wETcf0?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>PAN M 360:<\/strong> You\u2019ve given serious thought in your studies and research to the design of new music interfaces and music recommendation algorithms. Can you tell us more about this?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Vigliensoni:<\/strong> I am always curious about new ways of playing with music. I think there\u2019s always space for improvement in the way we interact with music. As I said, I\u2019m not using the computer a lot when I play because I don\u2019t like how it interacts with music. I don\u2019t like to look at a screen in order to play music. In that sense, I\u2019ve been building this device which allows me to explore a data set of rhythms in a different manner. The way I work with this is that I collect a bunch of clips of rhythms and then, by using a machine-learning device, I learn the characteristics of these rhythms. And then I map these rhythms into an imaginary space with which I can explore in real time.<em>&nbsp;<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>PAN M 360: <\/strong>How long did it take you to develop this process?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Vigliensoni:<\/strong> I\u2019ve been working on this since last March. The tricky thing about software development is that it&#8217;s endless. You always have a new thing in mind, and then another one. So there is a very fine balance between actually making music and coding something. But the nice thing is that one informs the other. If you just keep doing software development, it&#8217;s kind of boring and pointless, but if you are switching from one to the other, it gets better.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Vigliensoni - Animaux\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/MCn7LgH2j1k?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>PAN M 360<\/strong>: Your biography states that you are turning the process of making a record into a playground for learning and experimentation. How do you achieve this?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Vigliensoni:<\/strong> I don\u2019t like to repeat myself in the workflow of creating music. The way we usually work these days for making music is that we go to a computer, we open the Pro Tools or Ableton or whatever we want to use, and then we start building our song, and if we don\u2019t like something we just undo it and then start again. But I\u2019ve been getting sick of that workflow, so what I\u2019ve been exploring lately is getting rid of the computer and just doing it \u00e0 la old school, in a way You record a track but you cannot just undo it, and you have less possibilities of editing. To do it properly, you have to rehearse more. I use the computer to write emails and other stuff like that, but I don\u2019t want to use it to make music.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>PAN M 360: <\/strong>You prefer to work in a more physical way, finally.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Vigliensoni:<\/strong> Exactly. For me, music is physical. Yes, I like ambient stuff, but I like to be more on top of things. So this idea of changing the way in which I interact with music is important to me, finding what the best workflow is that fits certain ideas, or what I can do to make this process different&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>PAN M 360: <\/strong>You teamed up with Chilean artist Eduardo P\u00e9rez Infante to create a web application with which spectators will be able to modify the visual components of the show.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Vigliensoni:<\/strong> What we want to do is, while my music is being played, you can have a browser open and the visuals will react to the music. There is a component of interactivity, so the audience at home can, for example, move the mouse from their computer and change the visuals in real time along with the music. When MUTEK offered for me to play at the festival, I started to think, what can we offer for a hybrid-mode festival? To be honest, I think streaming is very boring in general, so I thought of offering a kind of browser-based game or web application to enhance interaction with people. That\u2019s what we will try to deliver. So, you can be your own VJ in a way.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-4-3 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Vigliensoni - Tango\" width=\"500\" height=\"375\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/_Lt1HF5VUEY?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>PAN M 360: <\/strong>Do you intend to make this project available after your performance at MUTEK?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Vigliensoni:<\/strong> Yes. The idea is to release the music as a web-based application. I don\u2019t really believe in those streaming services, not at all in fact. I like the concept of having access to a large library of music but don\u2019t like the concept of neverending recommendations, so that you don\u2019t really know what\u2019s actually playing if you\u2019re not in front of your computer. I have a PHD in music recommendation so i know a bit about that! And I also don\u2019t like the payscale for musicians. So I\u2019m even considering not even releasing this on Spotify or iTunes, because there\u2019s no point. It&#8217;s much better on Bandcamp, because you have control of your stuff, you receive much more money, you can have all your discography, you are in charge of uploading your music, you know exactly at which level it will be played back\u2026&nbsp; So having a way to allow people to play and interact with your music, I think it&#8217;s interesting, you\u2019re offering something different. I believe it&#8217;s important to think about new ways to bring music to people and give them a different concert experience, because it&#8217;s quite possible that the situation we&#8217;re in right now will continue for a long time.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Photo: Manuela Martelli Based in Montreal but originally from Valparaiso, Chile, Gabriel Vigliensoni enjoyed some success in his native country in the late \u201990s with the alternative band Lucybell, and then the electro-acoustic band Mismos. 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