{"id":26471,"date":"2020-08-19T17:00:01","date_gmt":"2020-08-19T21:00:01","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/panm360.com\/?post_type=interviews&#038;p=26471"},"modified":"2020-08-19T17:38:56","modified_gmt":"2020-08-19T21:38:56","slug":"turning-jewels-into-water-ritual-but-not-habitual","status":"publish","type":"interviews","link":"https:\/\/panm360.com\/en\/interviews-panm360\/turning-jewels-into-water-ritual-but-not-habitual\/","title":{"rendered":"Turning Jewels Into Water: Ritual, but not habitual"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><em>TJIW Photos: Ed Marshall Photography<\/em><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Jeanty, Momin recalls, \u201cwas the first person that I met who was channeling electronics with this spiritual vibe. I&#8217;d never really experienced that. I&#8217;d only heard experimental electronics like blips and screech, or very much four-on-the floor techno in New York. So it was incredible to hear experimentation rooted in Haitian rhythms, and have it still be all digital.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cWorking with Momin has been exciting,\u201d says Jeanty, \u201cbecause in the Indian culture, the music is very spiritual. So, we have that connection instantly. And he&#8217;s also very progressive, pushing it as far as using triggers, using Ableton Live. That&#8217;s the stuff that I love. It&#8217;s just great to have similar aspirations as far as keeping connected to the culture, but working with electronic instruments.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">PAN M 360 corresponded with TJIW for more insights into what they do.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>PAN M 360:<\/strong> When we posted about the video for your track \u201cOur Reflection Adorned by Newly Formed Stars\u201d, we took the opportunity to establish a new category in our database \u2013 drum music. The term doesn\u2019t necessarily mean music that\u2019s exclusively drumming, but rather, that\u2019s centered around drums and percussion. Do you think the term is accurate in the case of TJIW?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Turning Jewels Into Water:<\/strong> Of course, lots of music ensembles out there, from Afrobeat to salsa, come with a large percussion section \u2013 which is necessary to propel the music. While the percussion becomes an essential component, it\u2019s not the only thing that defines the music, as there are plenty of other melodic and harmonic elements in play. In a similar manner, I\u2019m more inclined to think of our own music as \u201cfolk music from nowhere\u201d, as we\u2019re also taking melodic inspirations from global folk music traditions and blending them with Haitian, Indian, and other rhythms from underground dance music, such as kuduro and gqom.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>PAN M 360: <\/strong>Because drums, beats, and percussion \u2013 the sounds of which a brief and pronounced, rather than sustained or extensively variable \u2013 are so fundamental in your music, it feels like there\u2019s a strong sense of space, of the positioning of sounds within space.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>TJIW:<\/strong> Indeed! To follow up to my point above, while we certainly derive musical inspiration from those melodic elements, we do write the tracks with the rhythms first, so what you\u2019re saying makes sense. We\u2019re also blending digital and analog elements along with samples and field recordings, which helps add a sonic richness and spaciousness to our sound.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Turning Jewels Into Water: Azul ( For Nidia): Bang On A Can Marathon 2018\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/Mnj31wb4uMU?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>PAN M 360:<\/strong> It\u2019s mentioned that there is an aspect of ritual to your music, which I can certainly hear. Rituals have a purpose, an intended outcome. What are yours?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>TJIW:<\/strong> Our musical rituals focus on using drones, repetitive patterns and ancient chants to take the listener on a musical journey through their subconscious realms. We hope to instill a reflection on the present state of things, and also hope to inspire change and positive action.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>PAN M 360:<\/strong> One cool thing about percussion-based music is it allows a lot of room for other musicians to get on board, so to speak \u2013 and dancers too, opening up even wider creative possibilities. What can you us tell about the collaborations on your record?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>TJIW:<\/strong> We strive not to simply be performative of our individual cultural identities. I\u2019d approached various guests and remix artists who were challenging norms in their own way.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Iranian singer and daf player <a href=\"https:\/\/kamyararsani31.wixsite.com\/kamyararsani\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Kamyar Arsani<\/a>, based in Washington D.C., is just as comfortable with punk rock as he is with traditional Iranian music. <a href=\"https:\/\/mphomolikeng.weebly.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Mpho Molikeng<\/a>, a master musician of South African indigenous instruments, based in Lesotho, also works with electronic musicians. Producer <a href=\"https:\/\/soundcloud.com\/laughingears\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Laughing Ears<\/a> is based in Shanghai, and is as influenced by Buddhist chants as she is by footwork. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.eatmybutterfly.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">EMB<\/a> is a producer and drummer from R\u00e9union Island who combines her African heritage with techno and other electronic music as well.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We\u2019ve also always worked with different types of dancers in live performances as well as video shoots, to further highlight the ritual aspects of the music.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/panm360.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/08\/TJIW-invitees.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-26131\"\/><figcaption><em>Above (clockwise from top left): EMB, Mpho Molikeng, Laughing Ears, Kamyar Arsani<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>PAN M 360: <\/strong>I\u2019d like to zoom in on the first track, \u201cSwirl in the Waters\u201d, to find out more about it, and about Kamyar Arsani\u2019s involvement.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>TJIW:<\/strong> Kamyar runs a broad range of music, as mentioned. For this track, I\u2019d specifically asked him to create lyrics based on the importance of water for human beings, without giving him further guidelines. He ended up with a beautiful poem in Farsi, which focused on the contrast between the vastness of an ocean and the shrinking timeframe for addressing climate change. The driving percussion, which is the focus of this song, is a blend of Iranian rhythms and vogue beats.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>PAN M 360:<\/strong> \u201cKerala in my Heart\u201d is a particularly fun track. In an odd way, it makes me think of the big beat genre of the late \u201990s, Fatboy Slim, Propellerheads, and so on. What can you tell us about that track?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>TJIW:<\/strong> Rhythms from Kerala collide with chopped and spiced vocals, while melodic fragments of the kombu, an ancient wind instrument only found only in South India, harmonize with vintage synths to capture the spirit of the street festivals of Kerala that exists in my heart.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/panm360.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/08\/TJIW2-Ed-Marshall-Photography-1024x687.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-26127\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>PAN M 360:<\/strong> Art Jones\u2019 video for \u201cOur Reflection\u201d, mentioned above, speaks to the story of the Siddhi, an Afro-diasporic community in India and Pakistan. I think their story merits some mention.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>TJIW<\/strong>: the Siddis are believed to have descended from the Bantu people of the East African region who first came to India in 628 A.D. They were merchants, sailors, mercenaries, and some even rose to political power within Indian territories. Their population is currently estimated to be around 350,000, mainly in the states of Karnataka, Gujurat, and Andhra Pradesh in India, and Makran and Karachi in Pakistan. Siddis are primarily Muslim, although some do belong to other religions as well. They have been marginalized and are not considered a part of mainstream societies.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">As the Black Lives Matter movement rightfully gains prominence in the world, it\u2019s important to note that anti-blackness is embedded in most Asian and Arab cultures as well. Siddis have had their histories erased, and as a child growing up in Mumbai, I never learned about Janjira, Malik Ambar, the African Hashbi Sultans of Bengal, Sidi Saeed, or other luminaries.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We all have a responsibility to address the anti-blackness that is systemic and deeply rooted across the globe as well, before meaningful structural change \u2013 and regime change \u2013 will be possible.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Turning Jewels Into Water  - Our Reflection Adorned by Newly Formed Stars\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/YWb1D-aNrUY?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>PAN M 360:<\/strong> Looping back to the topic of terminology, another descriptor I\u2019m inclined to use is \u201csupernational\u201d \u2013 transcending formally recognized borders. There is, appropriately, a marvelous international movement, predicated heavily on drums and electronics, addressing this idea musically. Strongly rooted, but also fiercely forward-moving. TJIW strikes me as very much part of that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>TJIW:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think I could have said it better than this. For sure, I\u2019ve always sought to create \u201cmusic without borders,\u201d even with past projects I\u2019ve led such as Tarana. In TJIW, I\u2019ve still preserved those aspirations, and I hope to create a music that can be cerebral and body-shaking simultaneously.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>PAN M 360:<\/strong> A common feature of this musical movement is an inclination to create music for a sort of imaginary \u201csomewhere else\u201d. I wonder how much this reflects a restlessness, a dissatisfaction with where one is at any time. What do you think?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>TJIW:<\/strong> It\u2019s not so much restlessness as it is a reflection of our hybrid influences.&nbsp; Especially given that we live in Brooklyn, New York, which is truly a meeting of all races and backgrounds.&nbsp; That dissatisfaction to which you refer can stem from the frustration with a world presently focused on artificial borders, and denying the human history of constant migration.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/panm360.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/08\/TJIW3-Ed-Marshall-Photography-1024x660.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-26129\"\/><\/figure>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>TJIW Photos: Ed Marshall Photography Jeanty, Momin recalls, \u201cwas the first person that I met who was channeling electronics with this spiritual vibe. I&#8217;d never really experienced that. 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